Even if there was a worldwide flood...why does that automatically signify the existence of a deity?

(November 12, 2014 at 2:07 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: Even if there was a worldwide flood...why does that automatically signify the existence of a deity?

Because the bible says so.

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Oceanic evidence of plants, animals, and even humans has been found that indicates that the sea level rose as much as 400 feet at the end of the last ice age. Since some of these discoveries have been as far as 190 miles offshore, it is no wonder that so many cultures have legendary accounts of a major flood.

Quote: Gilgamesh observes that Utnapishtim seems no different from himself, and asks him how he obtained his immortality. Utnapishtim explains that the gods decided to send a great flood. To save Utnapishtim the god Ea told him to build a boat. He gave him precise dimensions, and it was sealed with pitch and bitumen. His entire family went aboard together with his craftsmen and "all the animals of the field". A violent storm then arose which caused the terrified gods to retreat to the heavens. Ishtar lamented the wholesale destruction of humanity, and the other gods wept beside her. The storm lasted six days and nights, after which "all the human beings turned to clay". Utnapishtim weeps when he sees the destruction. His boat lodges on a mountain, and he releases a dove, a swallow, and a raven. When the raven fails to return, he opens the ark and frees its inhabitants. Utnapishtim offers a sacrifice to the gods, who smell the sweet savor and gather around. Ishtar vows that just as she will never forget the brilliant necklace that hangs around her neck, she will always remember this time. When Enlil arrives, angry that there are survivors, she condemns him for instigating the flood. Ea also castigates him for sending a disproportionate punishment. Enlil blesses Utnapishtim and his wife, and rewards them with eternal life. This account matches the flood story that concludes the Epic of Atrahasis

That's from the epic of Gilgamesh. Written at least 2600 BC. So it's not hard to see where the bible got it's Noah character from.

(November 11, 2014 at 11:55 pm)Drich Wrote: Aren't you over looking a big problem with you assertion minnie?

Whale bones were not whale bones when the desert was the sea floor...

Stop being a fucking idiot, drippy. You're in way over your head. Run along and play with your jesus dolls.

http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2014/02/...393429739/

Quote:Construction workers in Chile find giant whale fossils
Archaeologists unearth 40 skeletons in the Chilean desert.

Quote:The fossil treasure trove consisted mostly of the bones of baleen whales, as well a few examples of other strange ocean-dwellers, all washed ashore between six and nine million years ago.

(November 12, 2014 at 3:11 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(November 11, 2014 at 11:55 pm)Drich Wrote: Aren't you over looking a big problem with you assertion minnie?

Whale bones were not whale bones when the desert was the sea floor...

Stop being a fucking idiot, drippy. You're in way over your head. Run along and play with your jesus dolls.

http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2014/02/...393429739/

Quote:Construction workers in Chile find giant whale fossils
Archaeologists unearth 40 skeletons in the Chilean desert.

Quote:The fossil treasure trove consisted mostly of the bones of baleen whales, as well a few examples of other strange ocean-dwellers, all washed ashore between six and nine million years ago.

Not big on common sense huh?

Ever build a sand castle on the beach? What happens to it eventually? The tide and waves carry it away. But some how over a 10,000 year period 6 to 9 million years ago a few dozen whales washed up on shore but we're some how left completely intact...

Yeah, your an idiot, and so are those who think that carcass can wash up on a shore line and remain completely intact. The constant washing of waves would scatter those bones over hundreds if not thousands of miles till they eroded Into dust or were carried out to sea.

The only way a complete carcass/skeloton can be found is if the carcass is deposited in fossil zing material and left undisturbed for a very long long time. That can't happen on a sea shore.

(November 12, 2014 at 11:59 pm)Drich Wrote: Not big on common sense huh?

Ever build a sand castle on the beach? What happens to it eventually? The tide and waves carry it away. But some how over a 10,000 year period 6 to 9 million years ago a few dozen whales washed up on shore but we're some how left completely intact...

Yeah, your an idiot, and so are those who think that carcass can wash up on a shore line and remain completely intact. The constant washing of waves would scatter those bones over hundreds if not thousands of miles till they eroded Into dust or were carried out to sea.

The only way a complete carcass/skeloton can be found is if the carcass is deposited in fossil zing material and left undisturbed for a very long long time. That can't happen on a sea shore.

I'm sorry, I know this question has some weird connotations, but... were you there?

Because, see, if you weren't? Then you have no idea what the environmental setup was at the time, no idea what kind of tidal effects would be in play, no idea... actually, have you ever seen whale bones? They're kinda big, and heavy. The reason whales float is the buoyancy of their blubber, not their bones. Some kinds of whale bones can float on their own, but not the majority.

So! To be clear: despite the firm declarative statements you're making, you don't know how the environment was at the time, you don't know how voluminous the tides were, and you certainly don't understand the biomechanics of whales, because when a whale beaches itself, the tides don't just sweep it back out, even though at that time it has the thing that makes it buoyant... which it doesn't when it decays.

Not a great basis for the certainty you're expressing, there.

(November 12, 2014 at 2:07 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: Even if there was a worldwide flood...why does that automatically signify the existence of a deity?

What it signifies is the book that confirms a deity is and has been right while 'science' lets us down yet again.

(November 11, 2014 at 2:00 pm)Godschild Wrote: [quote='polar bear' pid='794465' dateline='1415721488']
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Quote:2. Do you believe jonah really was able to live in a fish and survive?

Who said he was alive those three days, it is a Christ example of being in the grave for three days.

Since he was supposed to be praying inside the whale, I'd say the Bible does.

Quote:And the Lord appointed a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was in the stomach of the fish three days and three nights. Then Jonah prayed to the Lord his God from the stomach of the fish, 2 and he said, . .. .


“I called out of my distress to the Lord,
And He answered me.
I cried for help from the [b]depth of Sheol;
You heard my voice. . . . But I will sacrifice to You
With the voice of thanksgiving.
That which I have vowed I will pay.
Salvation is from the Lord.”

10 Then the Lord commanded the fish, and it vomited Jonah up onto the dry land.

Jonah 1-2 (mostly 2)

(November 13, 2014 at 12:09 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(November 12, 2014 at 11:59 pm)Drich Wrote: Not big on common sense huh?

Ever build a sand castle on the beach? What happens to it eventually? The tide and waves carry it away. But some how over a 10,000 year period 6 to 9 million years ago a few dozen whales washed up on shore but we're some how left completely intact...

Yeah, your an idiot, and so are those who think that carcass can wash up on a shore line and remain completely intact. The constant washing of waves would scatter those bones over hundreds if not thousands of miles till they eroded Into dust or were carried out to sea.

The only way a complete carcass/skeloton can be found is if the carcass is deposited in fossil zing material and left undisturbed for a very long long time. That can't happen on a sea shore.

I'm sorry, I know this question has some weird connotations, but... were you there?

Because, see, if you weren't? Then you have no idea what the environmental setup was at the time, no idea what kind of tidal effects would be in play, no idea... actually, have you ever seen whale bones? They're kinda big, and heavy. The reason whales float is the buoyancy of their blubber, not their bones. Some kinds of whale bones can float on their own, but not the majority.

So! To be clear: despite the firm declarative statements you're making, you don't know how the environment was at the time, you don't know how voluminous the tides were, and you certainly don't understand the biomechanics of whales, because when a whale beaches itself, the tides don't just sweep it back out, even though at that time it has the thing that makes it buoyant... which it doesn't when it decays.

Not a great basis for the certainty you're expressing, there.

So waves and tides... None existent for at least a 10,000 year period? Let me ask is it just localized in just this area or does the moons gravity not create waves and tides for the whole planet?