(November 21, 2014 at 6:11 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(November 21, 2014 at 4:05 pm)MusicLovingAtheist Wrote: I just don't feel any disgust when I hear about murders. I just feel a bit of admiration for the columbine shooters tbh. They seem like cool guys with good taste in overcoats and industrial music (Dylan was a KMFDM fan). Just their demeanor in the things I have seen comes off as people who I can relate to.

Admiration?...This is greatly disturbing...you have to purify yourself I think. This all from the darkness and you should do away with it with goodness/light.

what the fuck

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(November 21, 2014 at 6:43 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(November 21, 2014 at 4:05 pm)MusicLovingAtheist Wrote: I just feel a bit of admiration for the columbine shooters tbh. They seem like cool guys with good taste in overcoats and industrial music (Dylan was a KMFDM fan). Just their demeanor in the things I have seen comes off as people who I can relate to.

If you haven't sought psychological help, please do. I'm not trying to be insulting or anything; I mean this in kind sincerity. You need to start working through your problems before we read about you in Yahoo's News.

lol. I would never shoot people. or try to hurt people physically for that matter.

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(November 21, 2014 at 6:43 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(November 21, 2014 at 4:05 pm)MusicLovingAtheist Wrote: I just feel a bit of admiration for the columbine shooters tbh. They seem like cool guys with good taste in overcoats and industrial music (Dylan was a KMFDM fan). Just their demeanor in the things I have seen comes off as people who I can relate to.

If you haven't sought psychological help, please do. I'm not trying to be insulting or anything; I mean this in kind sincerity. You need to start working through your problems before we read about you in Yahoo's News.

lol. I would never shoot people. or try to hurt people physically for that matter.

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(November 21, 2014 at 6:30 pm)Aractus Wrote: We all think you're an idiot MLA... "All pop musicians deserve to be shot and killed. They're feeding on the mindless consumers of America by pushing their garbage in our faces. Notice how any pop artist you can't help but know about them. I wish they were shot instead of shoved in my face."

Those are your words. You're hateful and resentful and you think if things are not the way you like them that there's a problem with other people. Honestly it's not hard to see why you're so eager to defend school shooters, you probably thought about being one yourself many times to cure you of your small penis syndrome. You just can't stand the fact that people think you're not very important.

(November 21, 2014 at 4:05 pm)MusicLovingAtheist Wrote: I just don't feel any disgust when I hear about murders. I just feel a bit of admiration for the columbine shooters tbh. They seem like cool guys with good taste in overcoats and industrial music (Dylan was a KMFDM fan). Just their demeanor in the things I have seen comes off as people who I can relate to.

Yep we get it, you're a complete nut-case.

lol

And yet you incite violence...

(November 22, 2014 at 12:18 am)Aractus Wrote: And yet you incite violence...

>incite
I do no such thing my pretty

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(November 21, 2014 at 6:16 pm)DramaQueen Wrote: And btw why are you assuming we're pro-war and for the death penalty

well if you don't support the death penalty or war it doesn't really matter because that isn't entirely the basis of my point.

(November 22, 2014 at 12:12 am)MusicLovingAtheist Wrote:

(November 21, 2014 at 6:43 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: If you haven't sought psychological help, please do. I'm not trying to be insulting or anything; I mean this in kind sincerity. You need to start working through your problems before we read about you in Yahoo's News.

lol. I would never shoot people. or try to hurt people physically for that matter.

At this time, in this mindset.

But you know as well as I do that mindsets move and thoughts evolve.

Seriously, if you can admire spree-killers for their coolness while glossing over their sociopathy, you might need to hit the reset button.

I once thought I would never feel suicidal; when I was younger, I thought such thinking was for pussies and quitters. Now, I've had three instances where I've had to reach outside myself for a rationale to keep living.

You might not wish to ever kill someone now, where you are emotionally; but you're treading a dark road when you applaud the lack of compunction involved in murder.

(November 21, 2014 at 1:28 pm)MusicLovingAtheist Wrote: I just don't understand the mentality behind people who are all about demonizing school shooters. They're obviously some kids who are either deviant or just extremely disturbed. I just don't see what kind of ethics are behind acting so sanctimonious like you're so much better than a school shooter. So people go over seas and kill people all the time. People kill people in the electric chair, people kill each other at school. What's the difference in your eyes? I don't see a seamless ethic here on your part, people who hate school shooters. Eric (Dylan's friend) once said that "there is no such thing as good or evil, it's all relative to the observer".

I agree with you to an extent, since the killing overseas often involves children and killing innocent civilians, also school shootings have probably been, in my opinion, a good thing. If a single bullied person targets a specific bully.

More often than not though, it's highly probably school shootings are random and the person being bullied isn't even bullied, just mentally unstable and paranoid.

Even though a lot of people seemingly disagree with you on this forum, I highly doubt anyone sees it as such a black and white clear cut issue.

It would be illogical to think "YEHHHHH KILL THOSE FOREIGNERS OVERSEAS" But to also think that not one school shooter was simply a victim of bullying fighting back and that every single one was an evil person.

The two most famous school shootings that come to mind in my opinion though were Virginia Tech. The guy who did this was seemingly not bullied, just mentally unstable.
And then there was columbine where the two guys were bullied but they seemed to just target random people and I don't even know if many of the people killed even knew Eric of Dylan.
It's pretty rare actually that you find a school shooting that wasn't random and full of pointless deaths, but then you could say the same about a lot of wars.

(November 22, 2014 at 4:29 am)paulpablo Wrote: I agree with you to an extent, since the killing overseas often involves children and killing innocent civilians,

Less often than some people imagine, and it's never the objective. The similarities between war and school shootings are superficial. Might as well say that war is like going to the waffle house - and school shootings are like shaving your legs.

(November 21, 2014 at 1:30 pm)Napoléon Wrote:

(November 21, 2014 at 1:28 pm)MusicLovingAtheist Wrote: What's the difference in your eyes?

Are you trolling or are you seriously that fucking stupid?

Yes and yes.

(November 22, 2014 at 8:04 am)Rhythm Wrote:

(November 22, 2014 at 4:29 am)paulpablo Wrote: I agree with you to an extent, since the killing overseas often involves children and killing innocent civilians,

Less often than some people imagine, and it's never the objective. The similarities between war and school shootings are superficial. Might as well say that war is like going to the waffle house - and school shootings are like shaving your legs.

It depends on how you categorize the killing overseas. I'm thinking more of the individual actions and battles fought, rather than what American leaders say the objective of an entire war is beforehand.
I'm sure there have been many instances of at least some military personnel targeting civilians.

But as I said in my post, I don't think there's many people celebrating the targeting of civilians in war while at the same time as demonizing all school shootings, and I don't think the issue is as clear cut as that.

(November 22, 2014 at 8:08 am)whateverist Wrote:

(November 21, 2014 at 1:30 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Are you trolling or are you seriously that fucking stupid?

Yes and yes.

you can leave now.

(November 22, 2014 at 8:04 am)Rhythm Wrote: The similarities between war and school shootings are superficial. Might as well say that war is like going to the waffle house - and school shootings are like shaving your legs.

Yet I find both instances reprehensible. At least when it comes to wars being fought in this day and age. And both have the same outcome. Children and innocents are killed. There's probably a difference in intent and there's certainly a difference when it comes to news coverage, but that's about as far as it goes.

Let me be clear about this: There's nothing remotely admirable about someone going over the edge and taking out their personal frustration on others. There's not even something mitigating about their motifs unless they're mentally ill to the point of no longer knowing what they're doing.

But, and that's a big but. There's far too little discussion about what makes them. Nobody wakes up some morning and says, hey, it's a nice day to do some school shooting. These people are made or they make themselves over a period of time. The Columbine shooters were at it for years, making home videos, before they finally went over the ultimate edge. When it comes to school shootings, most of the times it's students killing their peers. The only exemptions I know of are the Dunblane massacre in 1996 and the Newton shooting.

So from the standpoint of society, the more important question is, how do we determine the signs to catch things before the bloodbath?