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Amazing Coincidence, or Miracle?
#31
RE: Amazing Coincidence, or Miracle?
.. He knows when you are sleeping.
He knows when you're awake.
He knows when you've been bad or good
so be good for goodness' sake.
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#32
RE: Amazing Coincidence, or Miracle?
Growing up I didn't like going to the bathroom because of him. Then I thought if he can look through walls, he can look through my pants. .
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#33
RE: Amazing Coincidence, or Miracle?
(November 29, 2014 at 9:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why, foreknowledge has nothing to do with free will. When children are warned by their parents and they finial heed that warning and, they come to find out they were spared a terrible accident, is that keeping a child from free will, I think not.
You obviously missed this, but foreknowledge in the sense invoked for god requires fatalism GC. So no, your example wouldn't be a problem for free will....but, then - the parent doesn't have such foreknowledge-....much as we wish we did. So I'm not sure why you think the comparison has value?
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#34
RE: Amazing Coincidence, or Miracle?
(November 29, 2014 at 9:48 pm)Rhythm Wrote: so maybe god should stop screwing with his seat belt, leave his sisters fries alone, stare at the ground, sit on his hands....and shut his damned mouth?

Like it normally does.
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#35
RE: Amazing Coincidence, or Miracle?
(November 29, 2014 at 5:20 pm)Alex K Wrote: robvalue,

Absolutely correct, but we shouldn't evoke confirmation bias by default with those unverified stories because often it will not be even that, and you are in danger of overplaying the skeptic hand the more exaggerated or inaccurate they are.

You are totally right, my post wasn't written very well. It sounded like I was throwing out the sole reason rather arrogantly. Whoops!

What I meant was that it's something to consider. Of course you should determine the actual facts first, as they may well not be correct. Human's are amazingly good at exaggerating and embellishing stories.
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#36
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(November 29, 2014 at 3:57 pm)Castiel Wrote: why would any loving God take the time to find someone's wallet

Because you can't tithe without your wallet.
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#37
RE: Amazing Coincidence, or Miracle?
(November 30, 2014 at 3:32 am)KUSA Wrote:
(November 29, 2014 at 3:57 pm)Castiel Wrote: why would any loving God take the time to find someone's wallet

Because you can't tithe without your wallet.

Right, because apparently, god is hard up for cash. Must be all the hookers and blow.
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#38
RE: Amazing Coincidence, or Miracle?
Why doesn't God just magic up loads of money for the church? Or righteously Robin Hood it from the rich he despises?

I hear he has a huge gambling debt with the real God and is getting desperate.
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#39
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(November 29, 2014 at 3:57 pm)Castiel Wrote: ... A friend of a friend supposedly felt "God" telling her to pull over while she was on the highway. She ignored it several times, and then finally gave in and pulled over. She got out, looked down, and found her husband's wallet ...
Out of the probably millions of times a day that these deluded theists "hear god", what are the chances that a single 'miracle' would happen?

What we do not hear about are these millions of non-miracles.
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#40
RE: Amazing Coincidence, or Miracle?
And I always come back to...

How can you distinguish between hearing or feeling god, and a delusion? If someone uses "God told me to do it", would you accept that after they kill your family?
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