Actually, GC, I have read the bible. When I was a Christian, I did go to scripture to find the answers and you know what I discovered? The entire book contradicts itself. One verses says one thing and the other says something totally different. Asking the Christians that I respected only got an explanation as to why their particular view was not only correct but plainly obvious from scripture even though all these good Christians were contradicting each other. Worse, they made me feel stupid for not automatically agreeing with their interpretation.

Christians believe that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the same being so if one sees something don't all three? I thought the three aspects of god were equal so why would one be able to be in the presence of sin and not the others? Do you have bible verses to back this up?

(December 2, 2014 at 3:53 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: That sounds like one of the most fucked up and overly-convoluted walkie-talkie treehouse communication schemes I've heard, GC. Why doesn't God the Father just man up and look at sin himself without having his Alpha-2 Holy Spirit communicate the "sins" to him via GodNet™?

Another quick thing I noted..

Quote:I also check out what I'm told unless the answer I'm given makes sense of the question without contradiction

That somehow doesn't surprise me at all.

First of all you do not get to decide what God does, period.
Second, what's not right about that, I check out what I still am questioning and when an answer from others fits without contradiction of the scripture I accept it, there have been times when I've accepted answers and later find them not to hold enough water to accept any more, God reveals to those who are serious about learning.

GC

Listening to some of the theistic assholes around here it seems that the fucker sees nothing else.

I'm not saying I get to decide what your fairy-man does, I'm saying your fairy-man's way of operating is ludricrous, inefficient, and demands a degree of gullibility that is insane. He can't be in the presence of sin himself (some omnipotence that is) but his alter-ego "Holy Spirit" (who is also God) squats inside of all of us with a sin-detector and relays the message up to God (who is simultaneously the same and separate from his bro the Holy Spirit) when we do something that would offend God? That's a goddamn sketch from the Little Rascals spying on some gross girls with cooties.

Secondly, your statement that you investigate things 'unless they make sense to you' is not how a genuinely rational mind works, nor does one wait for God to "reveal" that one is wrong, if one cares about intellectual honesty at all.


Also, not sure why you've decided that this single book has all the answers. Oh wait...it's because you just know you're right.

(December 2, 2014 at 5:36 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Listening to some of the theistic assholes around here it seems that the fucker sees nothing else.

Didn't you get the memo?

He's a peeping Tom. No joke, at school we were told, that god sees us masturbate. So he's into adolescent boys too, much like his priesthood.

(December 2, 2014 at 5:42 pm)abaris Wrote:

(December 2, 2014 at 5:36 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Listening to some of the theistic assholes around here it seems that the fucker sees nothing else.

Didn't you get the memo?

He's a peeping Tom. No joke, at school we were told, that god sees us masturbate. So he's into adolescent boys too, much like his priesthood.

Have to post this:

(December 2, 2014 at 5:13 pm)Nope Wrote: Actually, GC, I have read the bible. When I was a Christian, I did go to scripture to find the answers and you know what I discovered? The entire book contradicts itself. One verses says one thing and the other says something totally different.

I do more than read, I study and sometimes it takes years to get to the answer. Patience is a virtue. I've found no contradictions in scriptures, why, because I study. Sure there are a few things that do not seem right but, I know in time with enough study I might be given the answer. I'm not going to toss out all the great things in the Bible just because I have an opinion that something might be wrong. Scientist do not throw out everything just because somethings seem not to seem fit, right.

Quote:Asking the Christians that I respected only got an explanation as to why their particular view was not only correct but plainly obvious from scripture even though all these good Christians were contradicting each other.

If they were in contradiction then why didn't you find out what the real truth was and share it with them. That's what I would have done, actually I have. Then it's up to them to believe what you present.

Quote:Worse, they made me feel stupid for not automatically agreeing with their interpretation.

Why didn't you make them aware of their treatment of you, and the best way to quite them would to go find the answer in the scriptures and show them why you believe differently. I've been made to feel the same way, but I wasn't going to give up what I knew was right nor my God because others thought they knew it all.

Quote:Christians believe that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the same being so if one sees something don't all three? I thought the three aspects of god were equal so why would one be able to be in the presence of sin and not the others? Do you have bible verses to back this up?

Sure there are Bible verses telling us of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, and there are four gospel books telling us of Jesus experiences with sinful people, and there are verses that state the Father want put himself in the presence of sin. Jesus also said that the Holy Spirit knows the mind of God the Father and that Jesus did not know all that the Father knew, this was in reference to the end times, whether Jesus meant other things I can't say. Since I'm going between more than one thread I do not have the time to look them up, but I will later if you need them. Exactly why God is able to be this way is not in my understanding. Also seeing and being present can be quite different.

GC

(December 2, 2014 at 6:10 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why didn't you make them aware of their treatment of you, and the best way to quite them would to go find the answer in the scriptures and show them why you believe differently. I've been made to feel the same way, but I wasn't going to give up what I knew was right nor my God because others thought they knew it all.

See, that's part of the problem right here. Everyone can have their personal Jesus, reading the same book.

(December 2, 2014 at 5:40 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I'm not saying I get to decide what your fairy-man does, I'm saying your fairy-man's way of operating is ludricrous, inefficient, and demands a degree of gullibility that is insane.

That's your opinion you have no proof from scripture of what you stated.

Quote: He can't be in the presence of sin himself (some omnipotence that is) but his alter-ego "Holy Spirit" (who is also God) squats inside of all of us with a sin-detector and relays the message up to God (who is simultaneously the same and separate from his bro the Holy Spirit) when we do something that would offend God?

Being omnipotent has nothing to do with it, the Fathers holiness and righteousness is why He refuses to be in the presence of sin. Why the Holy Spirit can is not within my knowledge nor your's. Jesus was a man who came to overcome sin and did, He chose to be in the presence of sin to be able to redeem man from sin.

Quote:Secondly, your statement that you investigate things 'unless they make sense to you' is not how a genuinely rational mind works, nor does one wait for God to "reveal" that one is wrong, if one cares about intellectual honesty at all.

You have little understanding of spiritual matters, there are things that no one can know unless God reveals it, since you refuse to believe in God you can't possibly understand. There's nothing wrong with the way I get answers, either from others of scriptures, you don't like my method so you're against it, it does work fine for me and I get the answers.

Quote:Also, not sure why you've decided that this single book has all the answers. Oh wait...it's because you just know you're right.

It's because God has proven to me that the scriptures are reliable for learning all things spiritual, moral and ect. What, do you believe that science books can teach these thing, No, that's why I go to books on science subject when I want to learn something about a certain science and the Bible for the moral and spiritual.

GC

(December 2, 2014 at 6:12 pm)abaris Wrote:

(December 2, 2014 at 6:10 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why didn't you make them aware of their treatment of you, and the best way to quite them would to go find the answer in the scriptures and show them why you believe differently. I've been made to feel the same way, but I wasn't going to give up what I knew was right nor my God because others thought they knew it all.

See, that's part of the problem right here. Everyone can have their personal Jesus, reading the same book.

Can I have a personal Hugh Jackman?