(December 13, 2014 at 10:14 pm)tonyintheLight Wrote:

Quote:Which version of the Bible are you using? I have every version. Some support your twist, others don't.

If you're not reading out of a 1611KJV Bible then you have a counterfeit Bible. The text of the KJV is Gods pure preserved word. The modern Bibles are corrupted and come from completely different manuscripts to the KJV.

God refers to this kind of corruption as leaven (1Cor 5:6)

Alrighty. KJV. (I could have guessed honestly, it's pretty much the go to). So, partial first chapter of Genesis:

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


28 Does indeed use the word replenish. However I fail to see in the preceding text any indication that the earth was formerly populated by "Something else". Your Gap theory requires a hint somewhere between 1 and 28. Would you point it out for me?

Edit: I really don't care which "Version" we debate, or what is said about versions. The point remains that even an "Original Translation" has been, well, translated. Human error is introduced very early.

(December 13, 2014 at 10:17 pm)Natachan Wrote: Why not study the bible in the original languages? I've read some of the Greek, and the 1611KJV, while being a wonderful masterpiece of English prose, does miss some of the meaning in the original languages.

I dont need to learn greek or hebrew to know that we have Gods preserved word in the 1611 KJV. God promised to preserve His word(Psa12:6-7)and the Lord has chosen the 1611 kings English as the language to present himself to the gentile nations. Gods has blessed the KJV, hence the 400 years it has endured and produced more fruit then any other Bible.

(December 13, 2014 at 10:26 pm)tonyintheLight Wrote:

(December 13, 2014 at 10:17 pm)Natachan Wrote: Why not study the bible in the original languages? I've read some of the Greek, and the 1611KJV, while being a wonderful masterpiece of English prose, does miss some of the meaning in the original languages.

I dont need to learn greek or hebrew to know that we have Gods preserved word in the 1611 KJV. God promised to preserve His word(Psa12:6-7)and the Lord has chosen the 1611 kings English as the language to present himself to the gentile nations. Gods has blessed the KJV, hence the 400 years it has endured and produced more fruit then any other Bible.

Can you tell us how god communicated the fact that 1611 KJV is the correct one?

So the men who wrote it down in their original tongues were heretics? Because those texts say different things than the 1611 does.

Edit: I'd like to clarify this. The KJV is translated in such a way as to be lyric. It was meant not just to be a translation of the words, but to be a work of art in literature. As such some of the connotations of the words are lost. In the parts I've read the original connotations of the words imply or state that the translation in the KJV was not accurate. There are countless works that talk about mistranslations, but I have only read parts in Greek and the largest problems I saw were those of lost context and connotation.

(December 13, 2014 at 10:18 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote:

(December 13, 2014 at 10:14 pm)tonyintheLight Wrote: If you're not reading out of a 1611KJV Bible then you have a counterfeit Bible. The text of the KJV is Gods pure preserved word. The modern Bibles are corrupted and come from completely different manuscripts to the KJV.

God refers to this kind of corruption as leaven (1Cor 5:6)

So an English translation thousands of years removed from the Hebrew/Aramaic source is somehow the perfect version of the Bible? My friend, your life is a maze of contradictions.

God has purified His word throughout History(Psa12:6-7). The purification of Gods word involved 7 languages- Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, Old Syriac, Old Latin, Old German and the Kings English.

The kings English is the 7th translation. If you're familiar with biblical numerics you will know that 7 is the perfect number.The KJV is the perfect book.

(December 13, 2014 at 10:31 pm)Natachan Wrote: So the men who wrote it down in their original tongues were heretics? Because those texts say different things than the 1611 does.

well that is the problem with the bible a huge one to many inconsistent writes stepping on each others proverbial feet. One passage says one thing the other is says the opposite the other one says something way off the wall. the bible one read over you will question it. a second read over it clearly makes no sense. a third read over you see how stupid it is. final read over you really see why people cherry pick parts that make sense and you close the book and loose faith and belief in god.

(December 13, 2014 at 10:34 pm)tonyintheLight Wrote:

(December 13, 2014 at 10:18 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: So an English translation thousands of years removed from the Hebrew/Aramaic source is somehow the perfect version of the Bible? My friend, your life is a maze of contradictions.

God has purified His word throughout History(Psa12:6-7). The purification of Gods word involved 7 languages- Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, Old Syriac, Old Latin, Old German and the Kings English.

The kings English is the 7th translation. If you're familiar with biblical numerics you will know that 7 is the perfect number.The KJV is the perfect book.

Hmm... You'll have to tell the Mormons that they have it wrong. Seeing as they have 8 as the age of accountability. Plus, even numbers are less awkward. I thought 33 was the perfect number? You know, the age that Jesus died at. And if we grant that God is perfect, and so must his word be, why does it require "Purification"? Also, still waiting for you to point out that hint.

Edit: Sir, it's starting to look like you brought a balloon to a needle fight.

Edit #2: For fun:

(December 13, 2014 at 10:34 pm)tonyintheLight Wrote:

(December 13, 2014 at 10:18 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: So an English translation thousands of years removed from the Hebrew/Aramaic source is somehow the perfect version of the Bible? My friend, your life is a maze of contradictions.

God has purified His word throughout History(Psa12:6-7). The purification of Gods word involved 7 languages- Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, Old Syriac, Old Latin, Old German and the Kings English.

The kings English is the 7th translation. If you're familiar with biblical numerics you will know that 7 is the perfect number.The KJV is the perfect book.

So the KJV is the perfect Bible because of...finding numbers in the Bible. You are spinning in circles here. Also, try putting a phrase through seven languages on Google Translate and see if it remains the same.

(December 13, 2014 at 10:29 pm)Spooky Wrote:

(December 13, 2014 at 10:26 pm)tonyintheLight Wrote: I dont need to learn greek or hebrew to know that we have Gods preserved word in the 1611 KJV. God promised to preserve His word(Psa12:6-7)and the Lord has chosen the 1611 kings English as the language to present himself to the gentile nations. Gods has blessed the KJV, hence the 400 years it has endured and produced more fruit then any other Bible.

Can you tell us how god communicated the fact that 1611 KJV is the correct one?

Yes see previous post.

(December 13, 2014 at 10:42 pm)tonyintheLight Wrote:

(December 13, 2014 at 10:29 pm)Spooky Wrote: Can you tell us how god communicated the fact that 1611 KJV is the correct one?

Yes see previous post.

6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

If my grasp of the queens english is as good as I think it is (it is), that seems to only compare the word to a standard purity for metal. Doesn't seem to suggest it applies to the word itself.

And are you going to point out the hint for your gap theory?

Edit: This I think actually answers my previous question about why god's word needed purification. It doesn't. You should have been all over that. Still creates an issue with this being evidence for your "particular version theory".