(December 14, 2014 at 12:21 pm)robvalue Wrote: Excuse me sir, you don't look anything like the photo in your passport.

No, you see, that's one of the other "me"s.

Very good sir, come this way please.

If I could give many more kudos for this I would! Thanks for the laugh!

(December 15, 2014 at 8:23 am)Brakeman Wrote:

(December 15, 2014 at 12:13 am)Drich Wrote: The meaning wasn't for God to understand the cost of the forgiveness of our sins. The death on the cross and the beating before was so we could know the spiritual pain/loss God suffered to forgive our sins.

That statement shot over your head. Let me see if I can simplify it so you'll understand it.
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God can't suffer. A roman soldier can no more hurt a god than I can with my 45 long colt. To suffer you must experience something you wish not to experience, where as a god who creates all he experiences, only can experience that which he chooses to experience. While a human my choose to suffer for a cause, they do not choose the components of the suffering such as birth pain. A nerve signal, an evolutionary survival trait to avoid injury, has no effect on a god. God did not suffer, ever. A god does not fear.

Hell is often apologized as "a place without god", so god could not suffer in hell, there is nothing about hell that could hurt a god either.

So instead of posting more laughing smileys, explain to us how your claim that god sacrificed and suffered for us makes any sense.

oh, noes brakeman doesn't want me to use smileys (I hope that doesn't include the panic emoti or the frownie face.

As far as the explaination your looking for it can be found in the Fact that Christ set his deity aside to be man. Everything He did Peter attributed to the Holy Spirit, in acts 10:38

(December 15, 2014 at 10:45 pm)Drich Wrote: As far as the explaination your looking for it can be found in the Fact that Christ set his deity aside to be man.

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(December 15, 2014 at 10:45 pm)Drich Wrote: As far as the explaination your looking for it can be found in the Fact that Christ set his deity aside to be man. Everything He did Peter attributed to the Holy Spirit, in acts 10:38

Oh, so jesus put his god magic in a genie bottle did he? A god who puts his godness on a hook while he pretends to be a man is too small to be of consequence. He is simply a god before the three days and back a god after three days while some human body he created is killed. And what is time to a timeless entity that exists outside of time? Hogwash! What a stupid story!
Pain is a signal from the body to the brain and is meaningless to a god brain that can withstand infinite suffering. A man is just a animal, and if jesus put took off all of his god qualities then he is simply a man feeling pain, nothing that doesn't happen every second of every day on this earth and nothing that a little Novocain can't fix. Jesus wasn't the first man to be crucified nor was he the last. Suffocation by crucifixion is a mild end as far as the pain scale goes.
It wouldn't have been jesus the human that made the sacrifice anyway, it would have been jesus the god that decided to hang up his magic wand and cloak for a few days, and as I've said earlier, a god cannot make a sacrifice when he is all powerful as a gift cannot be separated to show a loss in the original infinite set. Jesus could have made billions and billions of human bodies for himself and had them killed off in every imaginable way, but it would not leave him with anything less than he would always have. The nerve signals to the human brains would still be no sacrifice for a god.

(December 15, 2014 at 10:42 pm)Kitty Galore Wrote:

(December 14, 2014 at 12:21 pm)robvalue Wrote: Excuse me sir, you don't look anything like the photo in your passport.

No, you see, that's one of the other "me"s.

Very good sir, come this way please.

If I could give many more kudos for this I would! Thanks for the laugh!

You're welcome! Thanks very much

Abandoned the metaphors, Drich?

Like the plague.

(December 15, 2014 at 10:18 pm)Drich Wrote: Hell is seperation from the Father.

But Jesus is the father. Unless this is a reference to what you say a bit later, that Jesus "put his deity aside," in which case he was separated from the father the whole time he was on Earth. And the notion of hell as a separation from god is a choice on the part of the wicked based on their rejection of god, which Jesus doesn't do. Thus his separation from god was not the same thing, which we know because he is able to use god's power during his time on Earth.

And the idea of god's timelessness doesn't mean that three days in hell were literally like 3,000 years in hell. One would hope that god had better control over his perception of time. Then again, if he "put aside his deity" then those three days would have just been three days unless we assume that for some reason he decided to keep the part where a day seems to last forever (no DMV in those days to simulate that, after all).

(December 15, 2014 at 10:25 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(December 15, 2014 at 10:18 pm)Drich Wrote: Hell is seperation from the Father. The specifics that Christ endured is not outlined by the bible. But we know God emptied His cup of wrath onto Christ instead of us. As it has been said heaven and Hell are outside our temporal sphere. (1000 years is like a day, and a day can be like a 1000 years to God.) to measure what Christ endured by our standard is meaningless. Because once He passed from this life to the next His actual experience could have lasted a lot longer than what we understand by the passing of those three days.

So Christ wasn't part of the Triune deity. Got it.

Define triune deity.

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(December 15, 2014 at 10:30 pm)Brakeman Wrote:

(December 15, 2014 at 10:18 pm)Drich Wrote: Hell is seperation from the Father. The specifics that Christ endured is not outlined by the bible. But we know God emptied His cup of wrath onto Christ instead of us. As it has been said heaven and Hell are outside our temporal sphere. (1000 years is like a day, and a day can be like a 1000 years to God.) to measure what Christ endured by our standard is meaningless. Because once He passed from this life to the next His actual experience could have lasted a lot longer than what we understand by the passing of those three days.

Since the son is the father, and the son is a god, he could not be separated from himself. Even if you wish to construct some imagined structural separation from his father god, because he was a god in his own right, he would have been infinitely powerful and complete so that separation from another god is without significance. If he has self hatred for something his creation does or did, then he would be as crazy as any mental patient. He endured nothing because his endurance is infinite. He suffered nothing because his ability to withstand any suffering is infinite.

It is all such a silly story..

Oh, and here is a rofl for you..

What are you talking about?

God is a title not a name.
As in God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit

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(December 15, 2014 at 10:50 pm)IATIA Wrote:

(December 15, 2014 at 10:45 pm)Drich Wrote: As far as the explaination your looking for it can be found in the Fact that Christ set his deity aside to be man.

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How is that a stretch?

At no point in Christ's ministry does he say he is not man. In fact he refers to Himself as being the son of man many times.

(December 16, 2014 at 10:19 am)Drich Wrote: Define triune deity.

Lrn2Google.