(December 13, 2014 at 4:11 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(December 13, 2014 at 3:02 pm)robvalue Wrote: What?

You're saying that the fact that the universe is almost entirely lethal to humans is evidence it was made specifically for us? Wow that is a low bar.

I really cannot follow your arguments snow, I think you are working backwards from conclusions, which is why you have to force square objects into round holes to make the argument.

We don't need a naturalistic explanation to dismiss unfounded ridiculous claims. Trashing science does not prove God. As it happens, you are not even making a dent in science at the moment.

so god made the universe extremely dangerous and dropped of us off on a planet that would eventually get destroyed by the sun. and we are working on getting the fuck out before that predated time and fast. yet the universe is so dangerous to human beings due to radiation and other anomalies such as black holes quasars etc. so god had a justified reason to make the universe so dangerous the way it was? yeah no if that was the case why is that you know the universe is going towards a eventual heat death and everything will be frozen in place. @snowtracks
also heaven and hell if they both exist would to be subject to entropy.

Heaven and hell exist outside the universe's 4 dim's. The universe is heading towards a 'heat death' per science. Again two books, nature, revelation. the 'revelation' book tells us that God will create the 'new creation' after the current universe (ref below). The timing is after the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth which is after the 7 year tribulation period (when is that? most believe that the countdown started when Israel became a nation, 1948; most scholars say that a biblical generation is 100 years. So the universe most likely will no longer exist past 1000 years + 7 years + unknown time (but most likely, not to exceed year 2048). a science heat death would be fully complete around 1 trillion years from now when nothing would move from lack of energy.
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ref: "But the day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve judgment."

I agree, heaven and hell aren't in this universe.

I must have missed that bit in the bible where it talks about dimensions. Felt a lot to me like they were just up and down, heaven and hell.

(December 20, 2014 at 5:23 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Heaven and hell exist outside the universe's 4 dim's. The universe is heading towards a 'heat death' per science. Again two books, nature, revelation. the 'revelation' book tells us that God will create the 'new creation' after the current universe (ref below). The timing is after the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth which is after the 7 year tribulation period (when is that? most believe that the countdown started when Israel became a nation, 1948; most scholars say that a biblical generation is 100 years. So the universe most likely will no longer exist past 1000 years + 7 years + unknown time (but most likely, not to exceed year 2048). a science heat death would be fully complete around 1 trillion years from now when nothing would move from lack of energy.
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ref: "But the day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve judgment."

So the unknown time can be anything including trillions of years. So much for a prediction.

Which dark hole did you pulled out 2048?

P.S. Heat death doesn't mean "lack of energy" but no energy transfer.

(December 20, 2014 at 8:17 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I agree, heaven and hell aren't in this universe.

Or any other for that matter.

Belinda Carlisle says otherwise.

(December 21, 2014 at 1:11 am)Elskidor Wrote: Belinda Carlisle says otherwise.

One would have to assume a soul exists first. But quantum mechanics says that parallel universes do exist. So if its another dimension in reality its just another reality parallel to our own. And even still if hell was a real place i doubt it would exist even in a parallel universe to our own.

Of course atheist don't have the answer to where the universe came from, but they surly know more about it than the ignorant religious thinking person.

(December 21, 2014 at 3:47 am)psychoslice Wrote: Of course atheist don't have the answer to where the universe came from, but they surly know more about it than the ignorant religious thinking person.

yeah for the past two thousand years or so these are the same people that said god made the earth and the heavens and the sun. i wish there was a slow clap emoticon for how i feel but here is a picture instead.



but science will always meet resistance until most of the important questions are answered. the biggest being is how did the big bang start is one of them.

(December 21, 2014 at 3:44 am)dyresand Wrote: But quantum mechanics says that parallel universes do exist.

No, it doesn't. One interpretation models it that way.