Yeah, sure. I know what you mean, the law can be an absolute bastard. It's a shame that you ever have to force parents to stop their kid from dying. It makes me angry to think of those fuck head parents at home, making excuses for why God is still all loving even though he gave their kid a fatal disease. Some people have a pretty low bar for "love".

"Oh well, it's part of god's plan." No it isn't. It was your plan to refuse treatment because you are a terrible parent, putting superstition ahead of your child's life. The very worst thing is that this is what happens when you take Christianity seriously instead of just playing at it like most people do.

(January 21, 2015 at 11:47 am)robvalue Wrote: Yeah, sure. I know what you mean, the law can be an absolute bastard. It's a shame that you ever have to force parents to stop their kid from dying. It makes me angry to think of those fuck head parents at home, making excuses for why God is still all loving even though he gave their kid a fatal disease. Some people have a pretty low bar for "love".

"Oh well, it's part of god's plan." No it isn't. It was your plan to refuse treatment because you are a terrible parent, putting superstition ahead of your child's life. The very worst thing is that this is what happens when you take Christianity seriously instead of just playing at it like most people do.

Fuck non existent god and fuck non existent gods plans and will.

(January 21, 2015 at 11:30 am)Drich Wrote: What makes anyone think the outcome was not what she wanted?

Ahh, we can always rely on Drich to come in and defend the indefensible so long as someone said the word "Jesus" somewhere along the line. Just like fucking despicable clockwork.

(January 21, 2015 at 11:35 am)Faith No More Wrote:

(January 21, 2015 at 11:30 am)Drich Wrote: What makes anyone think the outcome was not what she wanted?

What makes you think that's our objection?

It is stated in the OP and in just about the first two pages of posts.

Her death is being soapboxed as a an afront to humanity.

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(January 21, 2015 at 11:40 am)Nope Wrote:

(January 21, 2015 at 11:30 am)Drich Wrote: What makes anyone think the outcome was not what she wanted?

Are you saying that the 11 year old child wanted to die?

I'm saying maybe she wanted to be with Jesus no matter what that meant.

(January 21, 2015 at 12:08 pm)Drich Wrote: I'm saying maybe she wanted to be with Jesus no matter what that meant.

Why don't more Christians take their own life then?

(January 21, 2015 at 12:13 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(January 21, 2015 at 12:08 pm)Drich Wrote: I'm saying maybe she wanted to be with Jesus no matter what that meant.

Why don't more Christians take their own life then?

exactly and even if suicide is a sin its forgivable like every other sin in the bible. so if there is a heaven you can just repent your sin to jesus and well go into heaven.

(January 21, 2015 at 12:08 pm)Drich Wrote: It is stated in the OP and in just about the first two pages of posts.

Her death is being soapboxed as a an afront to humanity.

Our objection isn't that her wants weren't being met. Our objection is that an eleven year-old child is allowed to make life and death decisions with her parents' ignorant blessing.

(January 21, 2015 at 12:08 pm)Drich Wrote: I'm saying maybe she wanted to be with Jesus no matter what that meant.

You see, this is why I like having you around. You are a shining example of Christianity taken to its full logical conclusion.

(January 21, 2015 at 12:08 pm)Drich Wrote: I'm saying maybe she wanted to be with Jesus no matter what that meant.

Are you also saying that people who live long lives, give themselves life saving treatment, and die naturally of old age, don't go to heaven?

And if you aren't saying that, then this contention of yours is just more fucking useless defense of child neglect.

(January 21, 2015 at 11:44 am)dyresand Wrote:

(January 21, 2015 at 11:30 am)Drich Wrote: What makes anyone think the outcome was not what she wanted?

Sorry but there was a 75% chance to live its basically murder, so no she shouldn't have died for nothing.

Those numbers are crap.

One they do not give out cancer surviablity rates out like that. they plot them over a period of time with a reoccourance ratio. Like a 90% survivablity rate of 5 years with a 10% liklyhood of reoccourance. Those should have been the numbers she was given with acute lymphoblastic leukemia if she is under 15 and it is not bad. Because she was given a 75% (the rate of survivablity 50 years ago) chance it means the author of that slanted story wanted to omit she had a very high chance of getting it again when she was older which meant a lot more pain and a lot less surviveablity rate/ratio.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/t...onal/page1

acute lymphoblastic leukemia was something I was looking at a few months back. Treatment is not good. They nuke your bone marrow and that means you have no amune system, (among a bunch of other blood related problems) so you have to live in a cancer ward till you recover (months.) Months of extreme pain and sickness may be too much if your just putting it off till later where there is only more pain and sickness..

(January 21, 2015 at 12:24 pm)Drich Wrote:

(January 21, 2015 at 11:44 am)dyresand Wrote: Sorry but there was a 75% chance to live its basically murder, so no she shouldn't have died for nothing.

Those numbers are crap.

One they do not give out cancer surviablity rates out like that. they plot them over a period of time with a reoccourance ratio. Like a 90% survivablity rate of 5 years with a 10% liklyhood of reoccourance. Those should have been the numbers she was given with acute lymphoblastic leukemia if she is under 15 and it is not bad. Because she was given a 75% (the rate of survivablity 50 years ago) chance it means the author of that slanted story wanted to omit she had a very high chance of getting it again when she was older which meant a lot more pain and a lot less surviveablity rate/ratio.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/t...onal/page1

acute lymphoblastic leukemia was something I was looking at a few months back. Treatment is not good. They nuke your bone marrow and that means you have no amune system, (among a bunch of other blood related problems) so you have to live in a cancer ward till you recover (months.) Months of extreme pain and sickness may be too much if your just putting it off till later where there is only more pain and sickness..

Those numbers are crap? i mean that is a 11 year old child and she hasn't fully experienced life.