(January 21, 2015 at 11:30 am)Drich Wrote: What makes anyone think the outcome was not what she wanted?

What makes you think an eleven-year-old girl is mentally and emotionally competent to decide on suicide?

(January 21, 2015 at 12:08 pm)Drich Wrote: ... Her death is being soapboxed as a an afront to humanity ...

Allowing a child who had a 75% chance of recovering to die through lack of medical care IS an affront to humanity (except to certain immoral delusiacs).

(January 21, 2015 at 1:19 pm)Lek Wrote:

(January 21, 2015 at 1:16 pm)Xeno Wrote: You know who else has even better resources to remedy this?

You say that you have better resources, so do something about it.

I think he's saying that the Christian claim is that God has infinite resources, so doing something about the world's ills would be less than trivial for such a being.

(January 21, 2015 at 1:19 pm)Lek Wrote: Christians and atheists are already over there trying to relieve hunger and provide medial assistance. What are you doing?

What business is it of yours? You are in no position to even guess what Xeno is or is not doing, let alone imply that he is doing less than you. Sounds like you're trying to change the subject and make it personal.

Most Christians that I have met would consider this death a tragedy and that the little girl's death was preventable. Luckily, most of my friends outside of this forum are Christians or I would leave this conversation believing that most religious people are crazy

(January 21, 2015 at 1:12 pm)Lek Wrote:

(January 21, 2015 at 12:56 pm)whateverist Wrote: Remarkable. I can't believe you think an eleven year old should be given carte blanche to choose non treatment for a lethal but treatable condition .. all because there is a way to spin it in the xtian fairy tale. Shameless.

Yeah. The poor little girl died in peace according to her wishes and is a peace now. Shameless.

Yes, the most important word being died. She didn't want to die. But now she's dead. So taking into account those only facts, the 'treatment' her parents chose for her failed miserably, the consequences being the worst they could possible be.

You don't know either way what happens after we die, only that we die. The mutually exclusive nature of this story means we'll never know what happened if she'd had medical intervention, but I can say right now 100% that the odds of her improving were greater than if she/ her parents had done nothing at all, which is of course what happened.

I've gotta go out soon, so I'm not gonna be here to watch you theists. You think about what you did. Imagine for one second the implications of what are you saying if your delusions aren't actually real. We'll have a talk when I get back.

You didn't even read the article properly. She didn't want to die.

The depths of human stupidity are apparently quite great. Wow.

(January 21, 2015 at 12:40 pm)robvalue Wrote: Yeah, thanks for that Drich. Wishing pain and suffering on people seems to be your natural gift. Along with mister whack-a-kid you're helping our cause more than any atheist could.

Almost any time I read his posts, I am struck by how horribly cruel and immoral he sounds. I hope he keeps it up because it shines a spotlight on just how morally bankrupt his religion is.

(January 21, 2015 at 1:19 pm)Lek Wrote:

(January 21, 2015 at 1:18 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: You don't know what her state is now, you just think you do. It's a certainty that her future in this life has been thrown away.

In your opinion.

That word you're using, 'opinion'. I dont think it means what you think it does. She had a good chance of life, of which she didn't avail herself, with the collusion of her parents. She opted out of what medical science had to offer in favor of alternative treatment, which, predictably, failed. Those are the facts of the case.

Now you may say she might have died anyway, which is true, but going down fighting for your future is not the same thing as throwing it away.

So, are the christians in this thread really going to persist with this claim that the girl wished to die to be with Jesus sooner, despite the fact that it's established in the first sentence of the linked article that she didn't stop treatment, she just switched to a different, unproven type of treatment she thought would heal her more effectively?

I mean, at this point, doing that would literally be a lie, right? What's the deal, christians?