(January 20, 2015 at 8:24 pm)Drich Wrote:

(January 20, 2015 at 7:06 am)h4ym4n Wrote: Hey drich, what do you think the 20,000 children that God kills with starvation each and everyday need to do differently?

What makes you think God killed them? What "evidence" do you have?

You guys have it all wrong. God is only responsible for the good things! Haven't you heard this? The bad things are all on us. God intercedes when he wants to, and his divine will is beyond our lowly comprehension. Why does he answer the prayer of the guy praying for a promotion instead of a starving child born into unthinkable poverty? That just isn't for us to know because God's glory is unknowable to us.

That or he's just a dick.

God is pleased with every touchdown Tebow makes, I don't understand the fixation with starving children.

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(January 21, 2015 at 1:56 pm)Strider Wrote: You guys have it all wrong. God is only responsible for the good things! Haven't you heard this? The bad things are all on us. God intercedes when he wants to, and his divine will is beyond our lowly comprehension. Why does he answer the prayer of the guy praying for a promotion instead of a starving child born into unthinkable poverty? That just isn't for us to know because God's glory is unknowable to us.

That or he's just a dick.

Those kids might have mocked a bald prophet ?

Or the Babylonians are too busy to stop by and dash their heads against stones, and God has to make do.

I don't think we've even scratched the surface of all the ways these kids could have pissed off god.

Comparing god to a human parent is a really utterly dismal analogy. Not least because it makes god look worse than even the most abusive and uncaring human parent.

(January 23, 2015 at 12:51 am)Drich Wrote: No. Where does the fleet of car play or or the chauffeurs or your injury or anything you said play out? The only non sequitur I see is posted in your name.

The fleet of cars and chauffeurs comes into play to describe the vast difference in capability between god and humanity as a whole, much less any individual person. To pretend that god and any person or organization are on equal footing in terms of what they can accomplish completely undermines your analogy. As I said already, it's an attempt to clear god of his appalling lack of responsibility for his own unwillingness to act when he has far more power than is needed to fix the problems that you won't put on his shoulders.

In other words, the analogy misses such a huge component that it does not apply. It's either badly mistaken or deliberately constructed in order to shift the burden from the one person who could easily resolve the issue at hand, for no other reason than to excuse his lack of action.

(January 23, 2015 at 7:11 am)Tonus Wrote:

(January 23, 2015 at 12:51 am)Drich Wrote: No. Where does the fleet of car play or or the chauffeurs or your injury or anything you said play out? The only non sequitur I see is posted in your name.

The fleet of cars and chauffeurs comes into play to describe the vast difference in capability between god and humanity as a whole, much less any individual person. To pretend that god and any person or organization are on equal footing in terms of what they can accomplish completely undermines your analogy. As I said already, it's an attempt to clear god of his appalling lack of responsibility for his own unwillingness to act when he has far more power than is needed to fix the problems that you won't put on his shoulders.

In other words, the analogy misses such a huge component that it does not apply. It's either badly mistaken or deliberately constructed in order to shift the burden from the one person who could easily resolve the issue at hand, for no other reason than to excuse his lack of action.

Drich is pretending that God doesn't own the cattle on a thousand hills, or in fact much of anything at all on the Earth He created. Because only by positing an impotent God can he possibly explain away the pain and suffering of billions of innocent children.

"God would help if he could, but he can't because Free Will and chariots of Iron!"

(January 23, 2015 at 12:07 pm)Davka Wrote:

(January 23, 2015 at 7:11 am)Tonus Wrote: The fleet of cars and chauffeurs comes into play to describe the vast difference in capability between god and humanity as a whole, much less any individual person. To pretend that god and any person or organization are on equal footing in terms of what they can accomplish completely undermines your analogy. As I said already, it's an attempt to clear god of his appalling lack of responsibility for his own unwillingness to act when he has far more power than is needed to fix the problems that you won't put on his shoulders.

In other words, the analogy misses such a huge component that it does not apply. It's either badly mistaken or deliberately constructed in order to shift the burden from the one person who could easily resolve the issue at hand, for no other reason than to excuse his lack of action.

Drich is pretending that God doesn't own the cattle on a thousand hills, or in fact much of anything at all on the Earth He created. Because only by positing an impotent God can he possibly explain away the pain and suffering of billions of innocent children.

"God would help if he could, but he can't because Free Will and chariots of Iron!"

Funny how that conclusion won over "He doesn't exist."

Are theists even sentient?