Do we pay them by the hour?

(January 22, 2015 at 11:47 pm)Godschild Wrote: Others died in different ways, but none of the good people left got seriously sick or died until after most of this group was punished.

There are two things implied by your story: one, that it was possible to identify who was "good" and who was "bad." Two, that at least some of the "good" people suffered illness and death before all of the "bad" people did.

Wouldn't it have been more convincing if everyone who stayed got sick, or if only the "bad" ones did while the "good" ones got the urge to join you? Otherwise it doesn't seem like something done according to plan as much as it is just a combination of coincidence and selection bias.

(January 23, 2015 at 4:05 am)robvalue Wrote: Did any theists own up to misreading the article yet? I have a lot of people on block.

None so far

(January 23, 2015 at 2:04 am)Godschild Wrote:

(January 23, 2015 at 12:28 am)Chas Wrote: That you have to ask that question is appalling.

Really, if you say so. Maybe you should have read the book before posting that though.

GC

You answered the question of an 11-year-old being allowed to choose prostitution because Jesus told her to with a fucking Bible story.

You fail Morality 101. You are a moral midget.

(January 22, 2015 at 11:47 pm)Godschild Wrote: Not long after we left those who caused all the problems began one by one to get sick some of them died, some never recovered from their illnesses. Others died in different ways, but none of the good people left got seriously sick or died until after most of this group was punished. I personally had some tell me they had done the wrong thing and had been very bad people, others came and apologized to us at our new church. They tested God and realized He wasn't going to put up with people tearing apart His work, most of those people are dead now or seriously ill and they lost their church building a little while back because new people were not joining and they had to few people to be able to pay the bills.
Now you can criticize what I've said but, it's true, it became true to the ones left, they admitted they had done a great wrong to God and the previous members.

GC

As someone whose new wife suffers from a series of chronic illnesses that cause her immense pain and suffering on an almost daily basis, I can say that if your god exists, and he finds this kind of illness to be an appropriate response to any kind of action, then he is an immoral psychopath who neither deserves respect or worship, nor should even expect it. If you then accept that god's actions as at all moral or deserved, then Chas was right on the money when he called you morally bankrupt.

What is wrong with you, that you see what you perceive to be god killing people and striking them down with persistent illness, and your conclusion is "yes, this is an appropriate, proportionate response to people screwing around with a church, from a moral god."?

(January 23, 2015 at 6:54 am)Tonus Wrote:

(January 22, 2015 at 11:47 pm)Godschild Wrote: Others died in different ways, but none of the good people left got seriously sick or died until after most of this group was punished.

There are two things implied by your story: one, that it was possible to identify who was "good" and who was "bad." Two, that at least some of the "good" people suffered illness and death before all of the "bad" people did.

Wouldn't it have been more convincing if everyone who stayed got sick, or if only the "bad" ones did while the "good" ones got the urge to join you?

You know what would have been even more convincing? If God had appeared in a flash of light and explicitly said what he wanted.

But then, free will right? Two groups who both think they are doing my will. Will let them both get on with it, then fuck up the ones who got it wrong. Yeah, that seems legit.

(January 22, 2015 at 11:47 pm)Godschild Wrote: ... Im only going to say this once, so pay attention please. I was not saying God would giver her cancer for anything, I'm saying God might punish someone for using God vainly. "Test not the Lord God." ...

No wonder you don't want to repeat that. I'd be embarrassed too if I worshipped such a nasty critter. For someone who is supposed to be all loving, all powerful and all wise, bible god sure is a hateful little shit.

What kind of deity would get its widdle fweelings hurt and seek revenge over what some puny human did or said? A fictitious one invented by brutal men trying to control people through idle threats!

(January 23, 2015 at 11:11 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Two groups who both think they are doing my will. Will let them both get on with it, then fuck up the ones who got it wrong. Yeah, that seems legit.

And the person doing the telling is always on the winning team.

I find it hilarious that in this thread a theist is insisting that God kills people for trivial things, while in another thread we're all wondering why God doesn't take down the people who are threatening his personal favorite person on Earth.

(January 23, 2015 at 6:54 am)Tonus Wrote:

(January 22, 2015 at 11:47 pm)Godschild Wrote:

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Others died in different ways, but none of the good people left got seriously sick or died until after most of this group was punished.

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There are two things implied by your story: one, that it was possible to identify who was "good" and who was "bad." Two, that at least some of the "good" people suffered illness and death before all of the "bad" people did.

Wouldn't it have been more convincing if everyone who stayed got sick, or if only the "bad" ones did while the "good" ones got the urge to join you? Otherwise it doesn't seem like something done according to plan as much as it is just a combination of coincidence and selection bias.

There's nothing implied I knew all these people personally, I knew who was involved not only because I was attacked, I witnessed almost every event. I'm not going to write out the entire event and give every detail, that would encompass a small book, this thing happened over a two year period. The very few people who died were very old, old enough you would expect them to pass away at any time. I know you'll never accept this because you would have to question what you do not believe.

GC

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(January 23, 2015 at 9:34 am)Chas Wrote:

(January 23, 2015 at 2:04 am)Godschild Wrote: Really, if you say so. Maybe you should have read the book before posting that though.

GC

You answered the question of an 11-year-old being allowed to choose prostitution because Jesus told her to with a fucking Bible story.

You fail Morality 101. You are a moral midget.

I did not and if you would have taken the time to read the book and fill that empty head with something besides hate, you might of understood, and I use might cautiously.

GC

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(January 23, 2015 at 10:31 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(January 22, 2015 at 11:47 pm)Godschild Wrote: Not long after we left those who caused all the problems began one by one to get sick some of them died, some never recovered from their illnesses. Others died in different ways, but none of the good people left got seriously sick or died until after most of this group was punished. I personally had some tell me they had done the wrong thing and had been very bad people, others came and apologized to us at our new church. They tested God and realized He wasn't going to put up with people tearing apart His work, most of those people are dead now or seriously ill and they lost their church building a little while back because new people were not joining and they had to few people to be able to pay the bills.
Now you can criticize what I've said but, it's true, it became true to the ones left, they admitted they had done a great wrong to God and the previous members.

GC

As someone whose new wife suffers from a series of chronic illnesses that cause her immense pain and suffering on an almost daily basis, I can say that if your god exists, and he finds this kind of illness to be an appropriate response to any kind of action, then he is an immoral psychopath who neither deserves respect or worship, nor should even expect it. If you then accept that god's actions as at all moral or deserved, then Chas was right on the money when he called you morally bankrupt.

What is wrong with you, that you see what you perceive to be god killing people and striking them down with persistent illness, and your conclusion is "yes, this is an appropriate, proportionate response to people screwing around with a church, from a moral god."?

Who am I to question the righteous and just God, when I know what went on with this church.
As for your wife, I'm sorry she is suffering so and if you had taken in all I wrote you would see that I believe most sickness is not a punishment from God, and since you seem to missed it I'll repeat it , God will be with those who suffer if they will allow Him to. Of coarse you can't possibly understand this because you reject Him. I also suffer from pain every day and am disabled because of it and I do not believe God gave me the pain as a punishment, it came through many years of hard work.

GC