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**Autumnlicious** · August 10, 2010 at 1:56 am

(August 10, 2010 at 1:50 am)Edward the Theist Wrote: You all are a bunch of cowards. This guy or gal comes in and asks legitimate questions, and what do we see? Oh big surprise, red reputation points, feigned offense, vulgarity and insults.

You have nothing and you know it. And this is what pisses me off the most about atheists is the cowardice they have of facing the real implications of their philosophy. If there is nothing but matter then love is nothing but matter and that makes it meaningless. It's not even two pigs mating; it's a sick joke.

Adrian says understanding this makes it better. What a load of garbage comparing it to computer technology. You sound like someone who's never lost a thing or loved a thing.

You all walk around like you have answers to the things that matter most to people and you have nothing postive only doubt and skepticism. Outcasts from the spiritual caste and nothing more; Isn't that right?

Here let the theist with the worst reputation set the record straight for you: If God is monistic in nature, which I believe He is, then love is a revelation of that unified nature. You feel like you are one with the other person, and in fact, you are. That's why Jesus said love your neighbor as yourself and to love your enemies. I don't think he really expected that to work, I think he wanted us to understand the monistic nature of God through our unity with one another. So, love does matter.

Love is like a computer network--Jesus, give me a break.

Pot. Meet kettle.

ABierman1986 · August 10, 2010 at 2:07 am

(August 10, 2010 at 1:50 am)Edward the Theist Wrote: You all are a bunch of cowards. This guy or gal comes in and asks legitimate questions, and what do we see? Oh big surprise, red reputation points, feigned offense, vulgarity and insults.

You have nothing and you know it. And this is what pisses me off the most about atheists is the cowardice they have of facing the real implications of their philosophy. If there is nothing but matter then love is nothing but matter and that makes it meaningless. It's not even two pigs mating; it's a sick joke.

Adrian says understanding this makes it better. What a load of garbage comparing it to computer technology. You sound like someone who's never lost a thing or loved a thing.

...

Here let the theist with the worst reputation set the record straight for you: If God is monistic in nature, which I believe He is, then love is a revelation of that unified nature. You feel like you are one with the other person, and in fact, you are. That's why Jesus said love your neighbor as yourself and to love your enemies. I don't think he really expected that to work, I think he wanted us to understand the monistic nature of God through our unity with one another. So, love does matter.

Love is like a computer network--Jesus, give me a break.

So you deny we hold meaning in our relationships? That's a mighty tall claim. The very fact we DO see meaning behind our love debunks any claim contrary. As to the views expressed here sounding like someone who has never lost anything they loved....it's hard to be polite to something so offensive, so I'll just say that the loss of a loved one is in NO WAY demeaned by atheism.

Oldandeasilyconfused · August 10, 2010 at 3:18 am

Quote:Love is like a computer network--Jesus, give me a break.

My pleasure. One leg or two? Devil

As it turns out,I've been in love more than once,as well as married and divorced. The first time was at 20,when I was still a theist. The last time was from age 46 to now. (I'm 62)

The euphoria of being in love was the same,as theist or believer. The depth of attraction,liking,respect,attachment and commitment was the same,as theist or atheist.The anguish of loss was as visceral as theist or atheist.

The depth of your arrogance is really starting to piss me off.

~~Edward the Theist~~ · (This post was last modified: August 10, 2010 at 3:39 am by Edward the Theist.)

(August 10, 2010 at 2:07 am)ABierman1986 Wrote: So you deny we hold meaning in our relationships? That's a mighty tall claim. The very fact we DO see meaning behind our love debunks any claim contrary. As to the views expressed here sounding like someone who has never lost anything they loved....it's hard to be polite to something so offensive, so I'll just say that the loss of a loved one is in NO WAY demeaned by atheism.

Well, you tell me: if atheism is true, what meaning can there be? And I don't deny your relationships have meaning. On the contrary, it's my philosophy that gives them meaning...even more than Christianity does.

(August 10, 2010 at 3:18 am)padraic Wrote: My pleasure. One leg or two?

As it turns out,I've been in love more than once,as well as married and divorced. The first time was at 20,when I was still a theist. The last time was from age 46 to now. (I'm 62)

The euphoria of being in love was the same,as theist or believer. The depth of attraction,liking,respect,attachment and commitment was the same,as theist or atheist.The anguish of loss was as visceral as theist or atheist.

The depth of your arrogance is really starting to piss me off.

What your saying has nothing at all to do with what I said. You see, I'm coming from the perspective that you're wrong about there being only a material world. So, you're the one devaluing your relationships; I'm the one giving them meaning. Unless you have something up your sleeve that will make a chemical reaction between two forms of matter "meaningful."

As for my arrogance pissing you off. You're arrogant, too. Go take a cold shower.

KichigaiNeko · (This post was last modified: August 10, 2010 at 4:05 am by KichigaiNeko.)

(August 10, 2010 at 3:35 am)Edward the Theist Wrote:

(August 10, 2010 at 2:07 am)ABierman1986 Wrote: So you deny we hold meaning in our relationships? That's a mighty tall claim. The very fact we DO see meaning behind our love debunks any claim contrary. As to the views expressed here sounding like someone who has never lost anything they loved....it's hard to be polite to something so offensive, so I'll just say that the loss of a loved one is in NO WAY demeaned by atheism.

Well, you tell me: if atheism is true, what meaning can there be? And I don't deny your relationships have meaning. On the contrary, it's my philosophy that gives them meaning...even more than Christianity does.

(August 10, 2010 at 3:18 am)padraic Wrote: My pleasure. One leg or two?

As it turns out,I've been in love more than once,as well as married and divorced. The first time was at 20,when I was still a theist. The last time was from age 46 to now. (I'm 62)

The euphoria of being in love was the same,as theist or believer. The depth of attraction,liking,respect,attachment and commitment was the same,as theist or atheist.The anguish of loss was as visceral as theist or atheist.

The depth of your arrogance is really starting to piss me off.

What your saying has nothing at all to do with what I said. You see, I'm coming from the perspective that you're wrong about there being only a material world. So, you're the one devaluing your relationships; I'm the one giving them meaning. Unless you have something up your sleeve that will make a chemical reaction between two forms of matter "meaningful."

As for my arrogance pissing you off. You're arrogant, too. Go take a cold shower.

Really not reading this thread are you Edward??

Please stop being an ignorant childish imbecile. Yes we know you have taken the perspective of you are right and we are wrong.

Not a very good position for an adult argument or academic debate. *sigh*

**Darwinian** · August 10, 2010 at 4:03 am

I love my children very much. In fact, I can't imagine loving anyone or anything else as much. Now, do I understand fully what processes are involved for the creation of that love? No. But I do believe that love is a psychological process born out of evolution and natural selection and is therefore a natural product of the Cosmos.

For you to imply that my love for my children which is a natural and very real emotion is somehow meaningless just because I attribute it to the natural laws of the Cosmos rather than a supernatural deity is not only incredibly naïve and arrogant but also shows a breathtaking ignorance of any worldview other than your own.

Shell B · (This post was last modified: August 10, 2010 at 4:28 am by Shell B.)

Quote:What your saying has nothing at all to do with what I said. You see, I'm coming from the perspective that you're wrong about there being only a material world. So, you're the one devaluing your relationships; I'm the one giving them meaning. Unless you have something up your sleeve that will make a chemical reaction between two forms of matter "meaningful."

Firstly, your signifies ownership. You're is a contraction for you are. Don't they teach grammar in the spiritual realm? /kidding

You don't give any of our relationships meaning. You are a random dude in a forum. You have no basis on which to make your ridiculous assertion that we're devaluing our relationships, either. Furthermore, where do you get the idea that matter isn't meaningful? In fact, the word matter and all of its defintions essentially mean thing, substance and meaning. You act as if taking god out of the equation makes everything meaningless. You sound like a battered wife who refuses to believe her life is worth anything without her abuser. Well, not quite, but close enough for a hand grenade.

Dotard · August 10, 2010 at 7:50 am

(August 10, 2010 at 1:50 am)Edward the Theist Wrote: That's why Jesus said love your neighbor as yourself ...

No. I don't give a damn what Jesus said. I am not giving my neighbor a hand-job.

Zen Badger · August 10, 2010 at 8:34 am

(August 10, 2010 at 1:50 am)Edward the Theist Wrote:

You all are a bunch of cowards. This guy or gal comes in and asks legitimate questions, and what do we see? Oh big surprise, red reputation points, feigned offense, vulgarity and insults.

You have nothing and you know it. And this is what pisses me off the most about atheists is the cowardice they have of facing the real implications of their philosophy. If there is nothing but matter then love is nothing but matter and that makes it meaningless. It's not even two pigs mating; it's a sick joke.

Adrian says understanding this makes it better. What a load of garbage comparing it to computer technology. You sound like someone who's never lost a thing or loved a thing.

You all walk around like you have answers to the things that matter most to people and you have nothing postive only doubt and skepticism. Outcasts from the spiritual caste and nothing more; Isn't that right?

Here let the theist with the worst reputation set the record straight for you: If God is monistic in nature, which I believe He is, then love is a revelation of that unified nature. You feel like you are one with the other person, and in fact, you are. That's why Jesus said love your neighbor as yourself and to love your enemies. I don't think he really expected that to work, I think he wanted us to understand the monistic nature of God through our unity with one another. So, love does matter.

Love is like a computer network--Jesus, give me a break.

Hello Gilly, I was wondering when you'd get here.

KichigaiNeko · (This post was last modified: August 10, 2010 at 9:05 am by KichigaiNeko.)

(August 10, 2010 at 1:50 am)Edward the Theist Wrote: You all are a bunch of cowards. This guy or gal comes in and asks legitimate questions, and what do we see? Oh big surprise, red reputation points, feigned offense, vulgarity and insults.

so what are you implying Edward?? YOU are this rybak??

(August 10, 2010 at 1:50 am)Edward the Theist Wrote: You have nothing and you know it. And this is what pisses me off the most about atheists is the cowardice they have of facing the real implications of their philosophy. If there is nothing but matter then love is nothing but matter and that makes it meaningless. It's not even two pigs mating; it's a sick joke.

That's right possum YOU don't matter so WE don't mind...happy now?? Dead Horse

(August 10, 2010 at 1:50 am)Edward the Theist Wrote: Adrian says understanding this makes it better. What a load of garbage comparing it to computer technology. You sound like someone who's never lost a thing or loved a thing.

clearly you need to get out and interact more with humanity pumpkin Great

(August 10, 2010 at 1:50 am)Edward the Theist Wrote: You all walk around like you have answers to the things that matter most to people and you have nothing positive only doubt and skepticism. Outcasts from the spiritual caste and nothing more; Isn't that right?

It's your delusion bunnykins Popcorn

...whatever you want ...WE are all wrong in your book ..ain't that right??

(August 10, 2010 at 1:50 am)Edward the Theist Wrote: Here let the theist with the worst reputation set the record straight for you: If God is monistic in nature, which I believe He is, then love is a revelation of that unified nature. You feel like you are one with the other person, and in fact, you are. That's why Jesus said love your neighbor as yourself and to love your enemies. I don't think he really expected that to work, I think he wanted us to understand the monistic nature of God through our unity with one another. So, love does matter.

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