Appeal to popularity. The number of people who believe something is true has no bearing on whether it is actually true.

(February 13, 2015 at 5:28 pm)Lek Wrote:

(February 12, 2015 at 11:18 pm)Jenny A Wrote: That was me. You see babies do have some indication of a mother, which is not surprising since there is one. But we have no indication of god, probably because there isn't one.

How can you even say this? People have been worshiping gods since our beginnings, since it is evident in the creation. People have always sensed that there must be a god.

That people have been worshiping gods is not evidence that they exist. It is evidence about human behavior though. . .

(February 13, 2015 at 5:28 pm)Lek Wrote: How can you even say this? People have been worshiping gods since our beginnings, since it is evident in the creation. People have always sensed that there must be a god.

Yeah, people have lacked the means to gain information about the world they live in, and been uncomfortable with admitting that ignorance for a long time. Not coincidentally, they've also lived among people willing to exploit that disquiet with not knowing for personal gain for just as long.

So what?

(February 12, 2015 at 11:18 pm)Jenny A Wrote: That was me. You see babies do have some indication of a mother, which is not surprising since there is one. But we have no indication of god, probably because there isn't one.

You're right we do believe that have babies have an indication that there is a mother because they can hear her. People have always had an indication there is a god because they can recognize him in nature.

(February 13, 2015 at 8:26 pm)Lek Wrote: You're right we do believe that have babies have an indication that there is a mother because they can hear her. People have always had an indication there is a god because they can recognize him in nature.

But which one? You would assert that islam is wrong, wouldn't you? So how do you know which god to worship? How does that show in nature?

(February 13, 2015 at 6:45 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Yeah, people have lacked the means to gain information about the world they live in, and been uncomfortable with admitting that ignorance for a long time. Not coincidentally, they've also lived among people willing to exploit that disquiet with not knowing for personal gain for just as long.

So what?

We still lack the means to gain information about the world we live in. We still have no idea where it came from. So why are we so different from ancient people. People still believe in God, but we are smart enough to know that God is not the sun. In fact more believe in God than don't. Could that mean that we do have an indication that there is a God? Maybe you are just lacking what most people possess and are at a disadvantage because you are unable to detect God.

(February 13, 2015 at 8:30 pm)Lek Wrote: We still lack the means to gain information about the world we live in. We still have no idea where it came from. So why are we so different from ancient people. People still believe in God, but we are smart enough to know that God is not the sun. In fact more believe in God than don't. Could that mean that we do have an indication that there is a God? Maybe you are just lacking what most people possess and are at a disadvantage because you are unable to detect God.

Evolution but as far as living beings and animals there is a pretty good theory on that. you cannot say we lack the means to gain information about the world we live in either science working as intended if you were however to say that in the good ol biblical days sure you can get away with it even in the dark ages but no not at this time. The fact being is more and more people in first world countries are starting to wake up to a fact that god doesn't exist and well what do you think missionaries are flocking to third world countries for? Also god is a falsifiable claim that god claim was created by man in a means to control the masses how can you test something that isn't there. What is god anyways matter energy or ethereal so what is it because if a god did exist we would know a god does exist, that being said there is no god.

Quote:We still lack the means to gain information about the world we live in.

No, we have the means. Most people call it 'scientific inquiry'.

Quote:We still have no idea where it came from.

On the contrary, we have a lot of ideas as to where the world came from. These are called 'scientific theories'. See reply immediately preceding.

Quote:So why are we so different from ancient people.

Flush toilets and antibiotics.

Quote:People still believe in God, but we are smart enough to know that God is not the sun.

And some of us are smart enough to know that God is not some megalomaniacal savage who would sacrifice his own son in order to clean up the fuck up that he himself made.

Quote:In fact more believe in God than don't.

lol, so? Preponderance of belief is no indication that that said believe is valid or true.

Quote:Could that mean that we do have an indication that there is a God?

No. More Western five year olds believe in Father Christmas than don't believe in him. This doesn't indicate that there is a Father Christmas.

Quote:Maybe you are just lacking what most people possess and are at a disadvantage because you are unable to detect God.

And maybe - just maybe - you are suffering from a delusion that allows you to detect things that aren't there.

Boru

(February 13, 2015 at 8:55 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:So why are we so different from ancient people.

Flush toilets and antibiotics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

(February 13, 2015 at 8:55 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: And maybe - just maybe - you are suffering from a delusion that allows you to detect things that aren't there.

Boru

I don't discount scientific theories. I'm open to learning from science everything I can. I just don't rely on science for what it is inadequate to show or prove to me.