Quote:I ignored your article because it was written by a non-medical professional
http://infolific.com/author/peter-alexandrou/

Appeal to authority.

Quote:Except that the doctors clearly acknowledged that all attempt to Resuscitate failed

Apparently not otherwise she wouldn't be alive, don't you think?

It is possible for someone to be declared clinically dead wrongly. My grandpa had this friend who was apparently dead and woke up during his funeral. There was no god, he just seemed dead but wasn't.

Quote:This thread is getting long so I don't know if anyone else said this. Just as there are no bible verses saying Jesus had not previously been married there are no bible verses saying he was always single either. That is my point. Many Christians believe both Jesus and Paul remained single because of tradition and not because of anything in the bible.

If Jesus existed he most likely had lots of sex. Some might say he had kids with Maria Madalena.

Oddly enough, when my father died, the prayers of his wife and others were completely ignored.

I guess dying is like playing football, sometimes your team scores and sometimes they don't, based on whether your god likes your team or not.

(February 28, 2015 at 4:34 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(February 28, 2015 at 4:20 pm)Esquilax Wrote: How about a worldwide flood, since there's plenty of contradictory evidence, geologically speaking, for that?

You do realize that all it would take for the Earth to flood, is for the moon to shift closer in it's orbit, right?
http://www.spaceanswers.com/solar-system...the-earth/

Quote: If the Moon got much closer, say 20 times closer, it would exert a gravitational force 400 times greater than what we are used to. A mighty tidal bulge would be created, hitting the land and causing great flooding, with cities such as London and New York disappearing under water.

Wow, you're right! How many pounds of magic god fairy dust would it take to move the moon closer by 20 times and stop it from crashing into the earth? Furthermore, how much magic god fairy glue would it take to hold the earth's crust together under the great torsional force and heat that would be exerted on the earth?
Where is god's magic wand factory? Does he have lots of worker angels toiling day and night in his magic mines? Inquiring minds want to know!!!

(February 28, 2015 at 10:33 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:

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(February 28, 2015 at 4:34 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: You do realize that all it would take for the Earth to flood, is for the moon to shift closer in it's orbit, right?
http://www.spaceanswers.com/solar-system...the-earth/

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No one's going to bat an eye at this one, huh?

I'll bite. All it would take for a worldwide flood is for the moon to randomly shift orbits to 5% of it's current orbit. Nice.

Couple problems. Why didn't Noah mention that the moon suddenly overwhelmed the night sky? How about the massive seismological activity that would happen when the Earth and the Moon warped each other's shape? Why isn't that mentioned in the Bible? The moon would still have a warped shape. What is the mechanism for by which the moon suddenly shifted orbits, then shifted back? Also, this still wouldn't change the amount of water on the planet. It would create a rolling tidal wave, one that would easily fuck an 800' wooden boat to shit. And one, incidentally, that would leave a LOT more evidence and destruction that a simple flood would. There are too many problems to count.

Not to mention that you haven't come any closer to proving that this actually happened. In fact, you have made it easier to prove that it didn't happen.

I stopped reading his posts when he began redefining death and forcing other oddly shaped pegs into mismatched holes. Fucking stupid.

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(February 28, 2015 at 8:46 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Except that the doctors clearly acknowledged that all attempt to Resuscitate failed.

Apparently not. Oh wait...you're suggesting something else, aren't you? Magic? There's nothing anyone can say to make you realize how stupid you sound right now. But one day, if you're lucky, you might feel that embarrassing sting...

(February 28, 2015 at 11:25 pm)Brakeman Wrote:

(February 28, 2015 at 4:34 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: You do realize that all it would take for the Earth to flood, is for the moon to shift closer in it's orbit, right?
http://www.spaceanswers.com/solar-system...the-earth/

Wow, you're right! How many pounds of magic god fairy dust would it take to move the moon closer by 20 times and stop it from crashing into the earth? Furthermore, how much magic god fairy glue would it take to hold the earth's crust together under the great torsional force and heat that would be exerted on the earth?
Where is god's magic wand factory? Does he have lots of worker angels toiling day and night in his magic mines? Inquiring minds want to know!!!

That was worth so much more than a single kudos. I was dying while I was reading that!

(February 28, 2015 at 9:08 pm)Norman Humann Wrote: So you're going to ignore parts of the article you quoted

Theists are expert at cherry picking, don't you know.

(March 1, 2015 at 3:35 am)Sionnach Wrote: Theists are expert at cherry picking, don't you know.

I know, but I'm naive enough to hope.

(March 1, 2015 at 3:46 am)Norman Humann Wrote:

(March 1, 2015 at 3:35 am)Sionnach Wrote: Theists are expert at cherry picking, don't you know.

I know, but I'm naive enough to hope.

Parkers Wrote:[...] such is the fickle nature of religious belief; like a tornado hopping over a barn to carry off the pigtrough, it carves random swaths of destruction through otherwise rational minds.

(February 28, 2015 at 10:33 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: No one's going to bat an eye at this one, huh?

I'll bite. All it would take for a worldwide flood is for the moon to randomly shift orbits to 5% of it's current orbit. Nice.

Couple problems. Why didn't Noah mention that the moon suddenly overwhelmed the night sky? How about the massive seismological activity that would happen when the Earth and the Moon warped each other's shape? Why isn't that mentioned in the Bible? The moon would still have a warped shape. What is the mechanism for by which the moon suddenly shifted orbits, then shifted back? Also, this still wouldn't change the amount of water on the planet. It would create a rolling tidal wave, one that would easily fuck an 800' wooden boat to shit. And one, incidentally, that would leave a LOT more evidence and destruction that a simple flood would. There are too many problems to count.

Not to mention that you haven't come any closer to proving that this actually happened. In fact, you have made it easier to prove that it didn't happen.

Where did I state this is what caused the biblical flood?
I stated that all it would take is for the moon to shift in its orbit to cause a flood, in other words a world wide flood is not outside the realm of possibility.
Or are you saying that it is impossible for a planetary body to shift in its orbit? A yes or no answer will suffice.

(March 1, 2015 at 8:21 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Where did I state this is what caused the biblical flood?
I stated that all it would take is for the moon to shift in its orbit to cause a flood, in other words a world wide flood is not outside the realm of possibility.
Or are you saying that it is impossible for a planetary body to shift in its orbit? A yes or no answer will suffice.

Edit: Steel beat me to it.

Huggy, you're still not thinking things through before you type. Steel already addressed the missing water issue, but blaming tides for global flooding is stupid knowing that when tides rise somewhere on Earth, there is an associated lowering tidal shift elsewhere. Puts a damper on a global flood.

In addition, I suppose it's theoretically possible to shift the moon's orbit; however, the event would be highly unlikely. Despite already showing that this is impossible as an explanation for the Biblical deluge, you tacitly suggest that a second equally unlikely event must have taken place to restore the moon to its original orbit. You see, your proposal rapidly becomes silliness.