The Jesus Freaks Will Hate This

[robvalue]

This is what happens when you work backwards from foregone conclusions, rather than forwards from the evidence.

[Norman Humann]

This is what happens when you work backwards from foregone conclusions, rather than forwards from the evidence.

Otherwise known as confirmation bias.

[Nope]

Oddly enough, when my father died, the prayers of his wife and others were completely ignored.

I guess dying is like playing football, sometimes your team scores and sometimes they don't, based on whether your god likes your team or not.

There was a sweet, elderly couple that I used to enjoy visiting when I was a teenager. Their youngest son had been paralyzed in a car accident. His mother would tell me that she knew there would be a miracle and he would walk again. Last time I saw her, she said the same thing. I am going to be 49 this year so that woman has been faithfully waiting for her son's miracle for decades. This family were made up of good people, who helped others and were very gentle people. God, if he was real, ignored their prayers.

[Esquilax]

I didn't start the thread buddy

Doesn't make your burden shifting any less of a problem. Yet another time I've had to remind a theist that two wrongs don't make a right.

You do realize that all it would take for the Earth to flood, is for the moon to shift closer in it's orbit, right?
http://www.spaceanswers.com/solar-system...the-earth/

If the Moon got much closer, say 20 times closer, it would exert a gravitational force 400 times greater than what we are used to. A mighty tidal bulge would be created, hitting the land and causing great flooding, with cities such as London and New York disappearing under water.

So what? "Is possible" is not the same as "has happened," and in this case we have conclusive evidence that it has not happened.

According to who?

Um, according to everything we know to be true about the human body and biology in general? Or do you just want to start shifting the burden of proof on this point as well?

Don't you believe life spontaneously created itself through Abiogenesis? But a dead person returning to life is all of the sudden beyond the realm of possibility?

So, first of all, tu coque fallacy. Even if my beliefs are ridiculous, it doesn't suddenly make yours tenable, possible, or true. I know these desperate, passive aggressive attacks are what you have in place of evidence, but they won't work.

Secondly, I'm on record, numerous times, as saying that I don't know how life originated, so you're not going to get me on that one. So... congratulations? You managed to go a whole post without making a single comment that was relevant or on point.

[Brakeman]

Where did I state this is what caused the biblical flood?
I stated that all it would take is for the moon to shift in its orbit to cause a flood, in other words a world wide flood is not outside the realm of possibility.
Or are you saying that it is impossible for a planetary body to shift in its orbit? A yes or no answer will suffice.

Yes, you used the orbit shift effect on tides commentary as a ploy to imply that the biblical flood could have been caused by a natural phenomenon. It could not be at all. The physics of an orbit move cause huge effects that were not considered or elaborated on in the article you cited. Moving the moon closer increases the gravitational forces and would cause the moon to increase it's orbital spreed. This gravitational ripping would tear our earth's crust to pieces and boil the floodwaters away. Somehow I think that would mess up your magic god story.

Despite apologetics rubberman twisting, you can't explain the global flood story without tons and tons of magic fairy dust. .. And magic fairy dust explains nothing at all because you can't explain the existence of magic god fairy dust.

[SteelCurtain]

Where did I state this is what caused the biblical flood?
I stated that all it would take is for the moon to shift in its orbit to cause a flood, in other words a world wide flood is not outside the realm of possibility.
Or are you saying that it is impossible for a planetary body to shift in its orbit? A yes or no answer will suffice.

The moon shifting in its orbit would not create a worldwide flood. It would create a worldwide rotating tidal bulge until the secondary effects took place. Unless you are stating that what your god meant by "worldwide flood" was "rotating tidal bulge," this natural phenomena doesn't explain what you think it does.

I am not intimating that a planetary body cannot shift its orbit. I am, however, saying that planetary bodies don't jump orbits for no reason, and that not every orbit is viable, and that bodies don't magically shift back into their previous orbit for no reason.

I am also saying that the secondary effects of shifting the moon into an orbit 5% of its current orbit would fracture the Earth's crust and boil off the atmosphere, kill every single living thing on the planet whether they were in an ark or not and leave both the earth and the moon misshapen.

Unless goddidit. In that case, why the moon orbit explanation? Why not just *poof* water, *poof* no water, *poof* wipe, wipe, wipe, no evidence left over. Mass murder, god style.

[Brakeman]

.. Don't you believe life spontaneously created itself through Abiogenesis? But a dead person returning to life is all of the sudden beyond the realm of possibility?

Natural abiogenisis theory supposes that a very basic life form sprung from a large pool of self replicating organic molecules.

Human bodies live via a complex system of inter-working organs, many of which their individual failure would doom the others. On top of that, the organs are comprised of billions of individual cells that must work in harmony to create and operate the organs. These cells themselves have internal processes within organ-like features that are hugely more complex than their abiogenic ancestors. The abiogenic step to life was so small that it bears no resemblance at all to the re-animation of dead tissue.

Re-animation of a human after cellular death is impossible. It would require 4.9261 Kg of pink sparkle magic god fairy dust to bring a man back to life, if you don't believe me, check my math.

[SteelCurtain]

It would require 4.9261 Kg of pink sparkle magic god fairy dust to bring a man back to life, if you don't believe me, check my math.

*calculates

Not enough significant figures.

[Brakeman]

It would require 4.9261 Kg of pink sparkle magic god fairy dust to bring a man back to life, if you don't believe me, check my math.

*calculates

Not enough significant figures.

No, silly, you have to set Pi = 3

[Norman Humann]

No, silly, you have to set Pi = 3

And pie = apple

If anything, you can always divide by unicorn farts and everything adds up nicely.