(March 10, 2015 at 5:46 am)Dystopia Wrote: I'm inclined to think it happens because it can offend religious beliefs (the LGBT part) - And in public school secularism is expected.

You would be surprised by how much we learn about religious groups like the pilgrims and puritans yet learn little about the religion of the natives. History of freethought post-civil war is ignored as well.

(March 9, 2015 at 11:47 pm)Drich Wrote: So then is it wrong to honor culture over the pop culture idea of a race neutral soceity where everyone just comes together forgets their past and looks to built a milato future?

What makes you think the two are mutually exclusive?

(March 10, 2015 at 6:31 am)Cato Wrote: Drich,
The concept of 'separate but equal' is something that we have struggled to move beyond. I'm not sure whether you're so ignorant of history to assume that your idea is novel, or just too stupid to realize what you're are proposing. You also must be oblivious to drop this turd two days after the 50th anniversary of 'Bloody Sunday'. It might help if you got your nose out of the Bible and into some history books.

Assuming he is aware of any books outside that mordant tome is generous on your part. I doubt he reads the instructions on his microwave lunch.

Race and culture are not the same thing, and can easily be mutually exclusive. What is the definition of a "white" person? Or better yet, what's the definition of a "black" person? How about "Hispanic"? My culture as someone who would be considered "white" is nothing like that of a "white" person living in Rich Hill, Missouri (I just watched the documentary). What about someone from Haiti vs. someone from Zambia? You'd consider them both "black", probably, but what do their cultures have in common? Similarly, what race are Filipino people?

(March 10, 2015 at 3:52 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Race and culture are not the same thing, and can easily be mutually exclusive. What is the definition of a "white" person? Or better yet, what's the definition of a "black" person? How about "Hispanic"? My culture as someone who would be considered "white" is nothing like that of a "white" person living in Rich Hill, Missouri (I just watched the documentary). What about someone from Haiti vs. someone from Zambia? You'd consider them both "black", probably, but what do their cultures have in common? Similarly, what race are Filipino people?

I completely agree.

The problem is, people throw around these terms "white", "black", "Hispanic" etc as though all of these groups are monolithic homogeneous ethnic groups.

In reality, if you take white people for example, you've got a massively diverse group of people who practice different religions (or no religion), speak different languages, have different values and cultural practices, and very different histories. Go to Greece, then go to Sweden, the culture shock will smack you in the face. I'm of Maltese, Irish and German descent, and within my own family I've seen these differences. Same goes for Black people, Asians, or any other "race".

(March 10, 2015 at 4:01 pm)NuclearJaguar Wrote:

(March 10, 2015 at 3:52 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Race and culture are not the same thing, and can easily be mutually exclusive. What is the definition of a "white" person? Or better yet, what's the definition of a "black" person? How about "Hispanic"? My culture as someone who would be considered "white" is nothing like that of a "white" person living in Rich Hill, Missouri (I just watched the documentary). What about someone from Haiti vs. someone from Zambia? You'd consider them both "black", probably, but what do their cultures have in common? Similarly, what race are Filipino people?

I completely agree.

The problem is, people throw around these terms "white", "black", "Hispanic" etc as though all of these groups are monolithic homogeneous ethnic groups.

In reality, if you take white people for example, you've got a massively diverse group of people who practice different religions (or no religion), speak different languages, have different values and cultural practices, and very different histories. Go to Greece, then go to Sweden, the culture shock will smack you in the face. I'm of Maltese, Irish and German descent, and within my own family I've seen these differences. Same goes for Black people, Asians, or any other "race".

That's exactly my point.

Sorry, I knew that haha, I was just expanding on your point and giving my opinion

(March 10, 2015 at 4:06 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote:

(March 10, 2015 at 4:01 pm)NuclearJaguar Wrote: I completely agree.

The problem is, people throw around these terms "white", "black", "Hispanic" etc as though all of these groups are monolithic homogeneous ethnic groups.

In reality, if you take white people for example, you've got a massively diverse group of people who practice different religions (or no religion), speak different languages, have different values and cultural practices, and very different histories. Go to Greece, then go to Sweden, the culture shock will smack you in the face. I'm of Maltese, Irish and German descent, and within my own family I've seen these differences. Same goes for Black people, Asians, or any other "race".

That's exactly my point.

Nuance is not simpleton-friendly. Broad brushes are good for house-painters; but the artist needs a 0000-tips too.

(March 10, 2015 at 12:48 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: Do you know what color the gal is who installed the airbag on your truck?

My truck was assembled in Saltillo Mexico so I'm willing to bet the farm on brown... Or what's the PC term? desert tan.

Quote:Rather than force consumers to make the decision to get rid of bigots over the long haul by not shopping at their businesses, incurring hundreds of hours of more research, it's more efficient to simply outlaw bigotry in the workplace.

What does it matter to you how much a bigot has to research to find a white only product?

Plus I'm sure as per the brand fubu, race exclusive products would advertize their racialy pure product. (Which BTW FUBU is made in china not where ever "us" is from.)

(For those who don't know FUBU was short for 'For Us By Us' it was supposed to be a black own operated and manufactured product.. This was one of the items that I was thinking of when i thought of this topic.)

Quote:What if a company refused to hire Christians? You'd be shitting bricks sideways crying about discrimination.

No I'd start my own business... That's the thing for every dollar a bigot has and wants to spend there is another not tied to a bigot who is willing to buy a similar product.

Quote:So what happened? Did a black guy apply for work at your business?

I'm just wondering what would happen if goverment let people do what they wanted and let the cream automatically rise and the waste fall.. If that would not solve our problems. Granted it didn't 100 years ago when the man owned everything, but now I think we have an eccletic base that could both serve the biggots and the rest alike. so why not let 'evolution' decide what is fit for humanity and what is not. Our philosiphical approach is obviously not working. It only leads to more govermental oversight.

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(March 10, 2015 at 1:21 am)Esquilax Wrote: I guess my question is this: what's so important/fragile about cultural heritage, that it can't stand to exist in anything other than its own little vacuum?

Im speaking of personal experience so i don't have a bunch a numbers to back anything up but I'm sure they are out there.

In South Korea in the larger cities they live as we do in the west (more or less) all of the traditions that made korea unique have been chased out of city life as being 'the old way' or grandma's way of doing things. all the old traditions are frowned upon and alot has been forgotten by my generation and younger. why? because in western culture the need to accomidate everyone, and not offend anyone has turned everything unique and 'different' into one single flavor of vanilla suitible for all to live in a common space and not offend anyone.

Here is a trivial example: In korea we all use o take our shoes off before entering any indoor area, and either walk barefooted or we brought inside shoes. Why? because koreans ate, slept, sat, and cooked on the floor so the floor had to be super clean all the time.

But over here

White people (and black people) tend to have nasty feet so they feel uncomfortable taking their shoes off in a non private setting. so to accomidate the one who would feel the greatest level of discomfort, a traditional practice is lost in a single generation.

We can't have it both ways. Some one is going to feel left out or the odd man out, because they are not apart or can not be apart of the group.

Which to me is ok, I do not understand the need to include everyone all the time.

(March 10, 2015 at 5:58 pm)Drich Wrote: I'm just wondering what would happen if goverment let people do what they wanted and let the cream automatically rise and the waste fall.. If that would not solve our problems.

No need to wonder, just hop in the wayback machine, we've been there, done that.

Quote:Granted it didn't 100 years ago when the man owned everything,

"The Man" owns more now than "the Man" did then..and "the man" is becoming a more concentrated block all the time.....

Quote: but now I think we have an eccletic base that could both serve the biggots and the rest alike. so why not let 'evolution' decide what is fit for humanity and what is not. Our philosiphical approach is obviously not working. It only leads to more govermental oversight.

Are you and the positions on race and race related issues that you espouse part of that "ecclectic base"? Because if so..I have no interest in seeing your group accomodated for by our government. Sorry. The man hath spoken- and I don't understand why government would have to include you or your positions anyway.........

Quote:White people (and black people) tend to have nasty feet so they feel uncomfortable taking their shoes off in a non private setting.

Would you happen to know what the korean equivalent would be for the nickname "Bubba", by chance? As in, "Aight Bubba, we get it, you don't like them people."

Quote:I do not understand the need to include everyone all the time.

Add that to the list of things you don't understand, I suppose? Seems odd though, because you understood it well enough to feel that your own position might deserve inclusion in conversation or governance (it doesn't, obviously...as above) just a moment ago.