(March 10, 2015 at 10:26 am)JesusHChrist Wrote: What makes you think they were not?

They died. No one dies before his time.

Quote:How is this any different than no guardian angels existing, at all? Sometimes they intervene, sometimes not. It's all mysterious ways woo.

What's mysterious about if it's your time you die and if it is not you get pulled out of a jam?

(March 10, 2015 at 5:08 pm)Drich Wrote: You guys kill me.. Ghost=Plausible.. Angel=GTFO

You really are retarded, aren't you. The point being made is that ghost (ghoul, evil demon, etc...) are just as likely as guardian angel.

The staff here is willing to tolerate your antics. I am no longer.

(March 10, 2015 at 6:41 am)abaris Wrote: Ah, yes. The Guardian angle stories.

I guess, Guardian angels are otherwise engaged when starving children around the world call for help. They're busy saving one precious first world baby.

how did they save the child? They called for help. Someone heard and did something. Have YOU not heard ANYONE calling for help in starving third world countries?

Seems to me the Angels calls for help in 3rd world countries fall on deaf ears.

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(March 10, 2015 at 10:33 am)Norman Humann Wrote: Oh, come on, Drich. Don't be silly.

It was obviously aliens.

best reply yet!

This story appears to have broken first in the Deseret News, owned by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

(March 10, 2015 at 5:18 pm)Drich Wrote: Seems to me the Angels calls for help in 3rd world countries fall on deaf ears.

So how many babies, do you think, died in good old Murrica at the same time? Also deaf ears? Not praying that right hook well enough? Maybe mummy has to be in heaven to kiss some ass to get things done.

As I said, pulling the spiritual Houdini doesn't add credit to a pile of bullcrap.

(March 10, 2015 at 11:48 am)KevinM1 Wrote: So, a chain of cops, likely some paramedics, possibly on-lookers, where there's talking both in person and from various CB equipment, and we're supposed to believe that it's the voice of the mother's ghost or a guardian angel? While the 4 cops in question don't agree on the exact phrasing, and have a vested interest in trying to save the infant?

Man, it's almost as though people will hear what they want to hear in a situation like that. Which is, of course, impossible, since psychology is the work of the Devil.

ever heard a cop/first responder radio before? Their is a little beep everytime the mic is keyed to let everyone know someone is about to speak. It also lets the one keying up the mic that it is live. Plus the whole everyone sounds like darth vader would probably indicate that the voice heard was coming from a walkie.

It amazes me at the length you all will go and the logic your willing to forget to not have to accept the obvious answer.

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(March 10, 2015 at 11:53 am)Chas Wrote:

(March 9, 2015 at 10:16 pm)Drich Wrote: What would you perfer? Disembodied voice saved baby? Disembodied voice watch as woman died, because no one around heeded the call? Is a disembodied voice any less miricualious than a guardian angel?

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what makes you think the woman in the story was allotted anymore time to live? Are you one of the foolish who believes everyone is entitled to 100 years of trouble free life?

How about religious police officer hears what he was hoping to hear?

another one who didn't bother to read the story... The officer leads with "Im not the religious type but..."

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(March 10, 2015 at 12:26 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

Quote:Guardian angel saves baby.

I'm still wondering how: the angel, assuming it was there, sat and watched for fourteen hours, and didn't intervene in any detectable way until rescue crews were already there, trying to rescue the baby. What did the angel actually do, beyond conveniently doing the bare minimum to confirm what Drich already believes to be true?

could have kept the baby warm for 14 hours. That seems to be the case as the child was not treated for hyperthemia as were the rescuers...

plus the kid was up side down that whole time to no ill effect.. Im not a doctor but it's probably not a recommended way to store a small child for 14 hours.

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(March 10, 2015 at 12:42 pm)Nope Wrote:

(March 10, 2015 at 12:26 pm)Esquilax Wrote: I'm still wondering how: the angel, assuming it was there, sat and watched for fourteen hours, and didn't intervene in any detectable way until rescue crews were already there, trying to rescue the baby. What did the angel actually do, beyond conveniently doing the bare minimum to confirm what Drich already believes to be true?

What would be the point, anyway? The angel didn't help or even set the rescue in motion. He(no idea what gender angels are supposed to be) just cried for help? What good does that do?

Sound carries over water. The rescuers could have heard someone from farther away and assumed it was the woman. This must have been a highly stressful, emotional rescue for the people who were at the scene


Drich, I still would like to know how you jumped to a guardian angel and not a ghost or water spirit?

did any of you read the story?

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(March 10, 2015 at 1:41 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(March 9, 2015 at 10:21 pm)Drich Wrote: That's why I take pleasure in pointing to the story and three on scene witnesses (4 if you count the nbc story and the fisherman) who herd a woman's voice comming from the car. I know what you said and I know what you meant, but like it or not lax, your version does not fit the FACTS reported in the story.

Interesting that you went with guardian angel and not the dead mothers ghost.

That would have been my wifes go to woo.

Also

Did the car have a radio?

Was it on?

do you think she turned off the lights and radio after dying on impact? or maybe she turned everything off just before she ran off the bridge... Because that is the only way the battery could have had a sufficent charge to play a radio broadcast that only said "Help me."

Otherwise her battery had a 95 minute reserve capasity
http://www.autozone.com/batteries-starti..._817422_0/

In a wet cell lead acid this 95 min window is only good right side up. turn the battery up side down and you loose 1/3 to 2/3's of its capasity in a wet cell.

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(March 10, 2015 at 1:57 pm)abaris Wrote:

(March 10, 2015 at 10:04 am)Nope Wrote: Why did Drich jump to the idea of a guardian angel anyway? The article doesn't say angel, it just says a voice.

This kind of story doesn't even exist here in Europe. No paper would print something hinting at the supernatural. Maybe some colored toilet paper when it's at it's yellowest.

And I can only ask again. Why should this get any credit? I don't know how many babies die of preventable causes each and every day, so why should one single first world baby in it's comfy backseat of a car warrant Guardian Angel emergency service?

That cannot be answered without resorting to spiritual Houdinianism.

that's why we seperated ourselves from goverments that feed it's people modified truths.

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(March 10, 2015 at 5:18 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:

(March 10, 2015 at 5:08 pm)Drich Wrote: You guys kill me.. Ghost=Plausible.. Angel=GTFO

You really are retarded, aren't you. The point being made is that ghost (ghoul, evil demon, etc...) are just as likely as guardian angel.

The staff here is willing to tolerate your antics. I am no longer.

:Jerkoff:

good thing your not staff huh?

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(March 10, 2015 at 5:22 pm)rasetsu Wrote: This story appears to have broken first in the Deseret News, owned by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

so long as it wasn't morini or joseph smith crying out 'help me' I think we can still trust the eye witness accounts.

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(March 10, 2015 at 5:23 pm)abaris Wrote:

(March 10, 2015 at 5:18 pm)Drich Wrote: Seems to me the Angels calls for help in 3rd world countries fall on deaf ears.

So how many babies, do you think, died in good old Murrica at the same time? Also deaf ears? Not praying that right hook well enough? Maybe mummy has to be in heaven to kiss some ass to get things done.

As I said, pulling the spiritual Houdini doesn't add credit to a pile of bullcrap.

IDK a billion?

You don't seem to understand what I mean by 'deaf ears.'

I'm not talking about God's deaf ears... I'm talking about your self righteous deaf ears.

Again just in case you missed it the first time sport. I asked how did the angels help the baby in the river?

I said she cried out for help.

Then I asked Have YOU not heard anyone crying out in these third world countries? Obviously you have otherwise they would not be on your heart to bring up in a conversation like this. Yet if they are still hungry it is because YOU have done NOTHING to end their Hunger! Heance the angel's pleas landed on Deaf ears.

(March 10, 2015 at 5:05 pm)Drich Wrote:

(March 10, 2015 at 6:49 am)coldwx Wrote: I find it perplexing that in situations like this there is the automatic leap to the supernatural. In most other instances (aliens, bigfoot), people go through a progression of natural explanations first and discount the far-fetched claim. However, when one makes a claim that a god or angel is "watching over" a person or that they heard an angel talk to them, everyone nods in agreement. Never mind the fact that in this case, the voice could have been a last gasp from the dying mother, or another person in the rescue effort, or an on looker, or etc. etc. etc. To me it speaks to a sort of desperation to find anything at all to justify a belief. Why can't individuals just be happy the child is alive and sad that the mother died instead of always trying to link some fanciful claim to whatever god they happen to believe.

you didn't read the atical did you, yet you thought you somehow knew enough to contribute... seem like Atheism 101 applied to the rest of life.. Good job!

(Mom had been dead for 14 hours)

I did read the article, but did you? You know the mom was dead for 14 hours? Where does it say that she died on impact? And since the whole point of my post was that we don't know what happened, but you automatically assume a supernatural cause. There was a litany of other plausible natural causes for the so called voice. You don't really think through your posts do you? Kindly fuck off.

(March 10, 2015 at 5:15 pm)Drich Wrote: What's mysterious about if it's your time you die and if it is not you get pulled out of a jam?

Because that is absolutely indistinguishable from no gods/angels/supernatural involved whatsoever. Chance and luck of the draw is a sufficient explanation without involving woo-ish angel nonsense.

The baby in this case got lucky. Thousands upon thousands aren't so lucky. The end. No angels required.

For brevity - there was no disembodied voice, and this would be a silly conversation, if an adult had initiated it.

(March 10, 2015 at 5:22 pm)rasetsu Wrote: This story appears to have broken first in the Deseret News, owned by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

That explains it.

Yes, I read the article.