(March 18, 2015 at 9:11 am)Huggy74 Wrote: That was the calculations of Edward Teller the guy that designed the hydrogen bomb.
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2003/septe...t-924.html

Quote:His constant attempts to get support for the "Super," as he called it, were seen by many, including Oppenheimer, as a distraction. He became even more of a distraction when he produced equations that showed the possibility that a fission weapon could ignite the world's atmosphere.

Man. You are the most dishonest person on the internet. You continually think we approach life like you do---just find the blurb that works for you, ignore everything else, and post it like we won't check it for your inevitable quote mine.

Let's look at the rest of the quote from your article:

Stanford Article Wrote:More important, all but Teller had agreed that the project would narrow its scope toward the construction of a fission bomb. Teller decided that they should go well beyond that toward a thermonuclear device, a fusion bomb.

His constant attempts to get support for the "Super," as he called it, were seen by many, including Oppenheimer, as a distraction. He became even more of a distraction when he produced equations that showed the possibility that a fission weapon could ignite the world's atmosphere. It was later discovered his calculations were wrong -- and a dozen other men made similar mistakes later -- but work stopped until the flaw was found.

(bold mine, showing what you quote mined and what the context was)

Notice how everyone else wanted to go for a fission weapon (Atomic Bomb) and Teller wanted to go for a fusion weapon (H-Bomb) He was the only one. So he produced equations that showed that the weapon that everyone else was pursuing would destroy the world.

So this man made a claim that people tested and proved wrong (you know, science), and you want to make it out like all of "science" thought the fission weapon would destroy the earth.

You dishonest troll.

*Edited to get fission/fusion correct, I put them in here backwards! (Thanks Parkers Tan!)

Wow, Huggy.

Huggy could save a lot of time and effort if he just used the following for any post he makes here:

I'm not wrong. I'm not! I'm not!

(March 18, 2015 at 11:17 am)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(March 18, 2015 at 7:24 am)Huggy74 Wrote: That's all you've got?

I'm explaining what the Bible Defines as a species. Every seed must bring forth of it's own "KIND". This simply means, as long as fertile offspring are able to be produced, they are the same species.

Which is why it's nonsense to assume the Bible states Noah took two of every single animal in the world aboard the ark, when it clearly states he took two of each species, big difference.

The Bible is not a science textbook.

Dumbfuck.

Yeah, this is another one of those utterly idiotic points from Huggy, where he uses a non-standard definition and then concludes that the definition he wants to use is the only definition there is, so therefore that's also the definition the scientists are using.

It's completely vapid, but there's worse to see here too, because like all creationists, Huggy has completely failed to provide a comprehensive definition of what a "kind" is, as it applies to biological organisms. Without a means of determining the bounds of each "kind" we have no way of arguing back against this- utterly insubstantial- long streak of piss of a claim, but then, that's what all creationists want when they say this; they purposefully don't define it so it can mean whatever they need at the time to shift the goalposts away from the conclusion of evolution.

Dishonest in the extreme, but then, what isn't, of Huggy's fumbling attempts at discourse?

Steelcurtain Wrote:(bold mine, showing what you quote mined and what the context was)

Notice how everyone else wanted to go for a fission weapon (H-Bomb) and Teller wanted to go for a fusion weapon (Atomic.) He was the only one. So he produced equations that showed that the weapon that everyone else was pursuing would destroy the world.

So this man made a claim that people tested and proved wrong (you know, science), and you want to make it out like all of "science" thought the fission weapon would destroy the earth.

You dishonest troll.

Predicted response: "But he was still a scientist, and he was also wrong, right? Yes or no."

Because it's not about an accurate representation of reality, its about safeguarding whatever Huggy has said in the past so that he never has to admit wrongdoing!

(March 18, 2015 at 12:32 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Dishonest in the extreme, but then, what isn't, of Huggy's fumbling attempts at discourse?

He seems to be a straight shooter, when he's not posting.

You know, I was there when this thread started.

I'm surprised prof didn't foresee a catastrophe of this caliber coming.

(March 18, 2015 at 12:13 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:

(March 18, 2015 at 9:11 am)Huggy74 Wrote: That was the calculations of Edward Teller the guy that designed the hydrogen bomb.
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2003/septe...t-924.html

Man. You are the most dishonest person on the internet. You continually think we approach life like you do---just find the blurb that works for you, ignore everything else, and post it like we won't check it for your inevitable quote mine.

Let's look at the rest of the quote from your article:

Stanford Article Wrote:More important, all but Teller had agreed that the project would narrow its scope toward the construction of a fission bomb. Teller decided that they should go well beyond that toward a thermonuclear device, a fusion bomb.

His constant attempts to get support for the "Super," as he called it, were seen by many, including Oppenheimer, as a distraction. He became even more of a distraction when he produced equations that showed the possibility that a fission weapon could ignite the world's atmosphere. It was later discovered his calculations were wrong -- and a dozen other men made similar mistakes later -- but work stopped until the flaw was found.

(bold mine, showing what you quote mined and what the context was)

Notice how everyone else wanted to go for a fission weapon (Atomic Bomb) and Teller wanted to go for a fusion weapon (H-Bomb) He was the only one. So he produced equations that showed that the weapon that everyone else was pursuing would destroy the world.

So this man made a claim that people tested and proved wrong (you know, science), and you want to make it out like all of "science" thought the fission weapon would destroy the earth.

You dishonest troll.

*Edited to get fission/fusion correct, I put them in here backwards! (Thanks Parkers Tan!)

How was I dishonest?
First of all i was talking off the top of my head, secondly I had already established that the calculations were proven wrong.... that was the main point I was making, that scientists sometime get things wrong.

So unless you're trying to say that they don't, what point are you trying to make?

(March 18, 2015 at 12:55 pm)Norman Humann Wrote: You know, I was there when this thread started.

I'm surprised prof didn't foresee a catastrophe of this caliber coming.

Of course scientists get things wrong. They're just human (even bracketing out the MO of the scientific method).

What point are you trying to make by establishing something everyone already knows?

(March 18, 2015 at 1:18 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: How was I dishonest?
First of all i was talking off the top of my head, secondly I had already established that the calculations were proven wrong.... that was the main point I was making, that scientists sometime get things wrong.

So unless you're trying to say that they don't, what point are you trying to make?

Oh no you don't, you dishonest fuck. Your point wasn't that scientists sometimes get things wrong. That goes without saying, and no one would argue with that. Scientists spend their whole careers trying to prove themselves wrong.

(March 18, 2015 at 7:53 am)Huggy74 Wrote: According to "science" a meteor hit the planet and caused an extinction level event, and also according to scientific calculations, the hydrogen bomb was supposed to do the same thing, except it didn't. Must I go through all the cases where science has proven to be wrong?

If the Bible backtracked as much as "science" does, I defiantly wouldn't believe in it.

You were trying to discredit science by saying science backtracked from a consensus.

Your whole point was that science thought the H-Bomb was going to destroy the world, and you posted that blurb to prove that point.

The rest of the blurb revealed with clarity that "science" did not in fact accept that hypothesis. One man made a claim and his colleagues tested it and proved it wrong. Moreover Teller's motivation for making that hypothesis was a very real part of his assertion.

One scientist being wrong happens every day, and pointing that out does absolutely nothing to serve your original point.

*Bold mine, because, you know, it needed to be seen again. Freud FTW!