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Secular Humanism and Humanity: What are they?
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 (March 21, 2015 at 4:21 am)robvalue Wrote: I'll just bump this up again as I'm still interested in why some people don't like the idea of "humanist". I'm not criticising, just curious.I think it is the "secular" in "secular humanism" that bothers Christians. They perceive humanists to be people who are plotting against God - a Luciferian conspiracy 
Haha yeah. I think secular also bothers them because they often don't know what it means, and assume it just means atheist/communist/science/nazi/anti-theist. But most enlightened christians agree secular is the way to go, as far as I know.
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March 21, 2015 at 10:39 am
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(March 21, 2015 at 9:14 am)robvalue Wrote: Haha yeah. I think secular also bothers them because they often don't know what it means, and assume it just means atheist/communist/science/nazi/anti-theist. But most enlightened christians agree secular is the way to go, as far as I know.It's interesting, because maybe secular humanism is misusing or at least extending the definition of "secular". Here is the wikipedia definition: Quote:Secularism is the principle of the separation of government institutions and persons mandated to represent the state from religious institutions and religious dignitaries.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism The "secular" in secular humanism is saying that God and religion are not necessary for morality and ethics. Probably secular humanism goes further to say that God and religion should not be a consideration in morality and ethics? This would mean that an individual should not consider religion when making moral or ethical decisions - i.e. separation of the individual from religion. If that is the case, then I can see how Christians would see secular humanism as a part of that vast Luciferian conspiracy.
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March 21, 2015 at 11:01 am
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I guess it is kind of saying that, but not directly. You can have a secular government and everyone be a theist, and they can all claim to be getting their morality from their own religion. It does highlight the glaring inconsistency in their view that you can't be a decent member of society without religion, but not explicitly. The fact that there is more than one religion already highlights the stupidity of it all.
The thing that confused me more is I noticed some atheists on here don't like the humanist part. Not saying they should, just I think I've missed a point somewhere. Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists. Index of useful threads and discussions Index of my best videos Quickstart guide to the forum  (March 21, 2015 at 4:21 am)robvalue Wrote: I'll just bump this up again as I'm still interested in why some people don't like the idea of "humanist". I'm not criticising, just curious. Two other reasons. One, they see separation of church and state to be a bad thing and a falsely imposed principle. The second is that they see this as saying society should be human centered when they think it should be God centered. I personally have a problem with some variants of secular humanism in that they arbitrarily posit certain values without sound justification. ![[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/zf86M5L7/extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg) RE: Secular Humanism and Humanity: What are they?
March 21, 2015 at 11:32 am
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Like? -and suppose there were...why would that be a problem?
(I'm not aware of a single arbitrary human value -even the ones I don't agree with-....so some crowdsourcing would be great.)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
The only one I can think of off the top of my head is that ecological conservation should be a priority for every humanist.
 (March 21, 2015 at 11:01 am)robvalue Wrote: The thing that confused me more is I noticed some atheists on here don't like the humanist part. Not saying they should, just I think I've missed a point somewhere. For me, I shy away from 'humanism' because I don't trust it not to become political correctness, unwarranted should'ing and unthinking. Want to talk values great. But lets not anyone start with "as any humanist would, I think..".  RE: Secular Humanism and Humanity: What are they?
March 21, 2015 at 9:52 pm
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(March 21, 2015 at 7:14 pm)whateverist Wrote:Getting attached to a label is not good. This is why I don't care if people call me atheist or agnostic or apatheist or an ignostic. I don't want to start thinking, "I'm a x therefor I believe y."(March 21, 2015 at 11:01 am)robvalue Wrote: The thing that confused me more is I noticed some atheists on here don't like the humanist part. Not saying they should, just I think I've missed a point somewhere.
It is very important not to mistake hemlock for parsley, but to believe or not believe in God is not important at all. - Denis Diderot
We are the United States of Amnesia, we learn nothing because we remember nothing. - Gore Vidal  RE: Secular Humanism and Humanity: What are they?
March 22, 2015 at 1:34 am
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(March 21, 2015 at 9:52 pm)Pizz-atheist Wrote:Although I agree, I want everyone to know: I am an anti-theist! Don't you think you're going to drag that dirt around me and it not get noted!(March 21, 2015 at 7:14 pm)whateverist Wrote: For me, I shy away from 'humanism' because I don't trust it not to become political correctness, unwarranted should'ing and unthinking. Want to talk values great. But lets not anyone start with "as any humanist would, I think..".Getting attached to a label is not good. This is why I don't care if people call me atheist or agnostic or apatheist or an ignostic. I don't want to start thinking, "I'm a x therefor I believe y."
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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