(April 2, 2015 at 4:22 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(March 29, 2015 at 2:27 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote: MysticKnight, it seems your argument assumes the truth of the Quran while proving the truth of the Quran. I know my critique is an oversimplification, but it seems like a problem in your argument.

In some ways you have a proof by contradiction that the Quran is false. The most excellent people come from all religions and don't usually have governing power (IMO). But I enjoyed reading your arguments. I learned some things about Islam.

I believe in the wisdom manifested about how God uses his exalted ones in Quran and how he treats them. I also believe exalted ones exist rationally. When I say the wisdom is in the Quran, that's not to say I believe in the wisdom due it being in Quran, but rather I believe in the Quran due the wisdom that is in it.

Of course there is good people from all religions, but, we can know people of higher wisdom will follow the truth and not incline to falsehood, the best people God would honor them with exalted wisdom since it's a virtue to seek wisdom, and they would seek it being the best people.

You really have to have faith in the Exalted Station of God and believe God raises ranks by his own very truth, to believe their exists these high ranks.

God being infinitely graceful would create infinite souls, and there is bound to be souls that incline to the most praiseworthy acts and intentions.

I believe then God creates infinite universes with infinite sentient life, and begins and seals guidance with the most sincere most praiseworthy most exalted ones where ever sentient life is found.

Peace

Yes peace to you too, and maybe we would have more of it if humans, not just Muslims, but more humans would keep their social clubs out of their politics. If your religion, or any for that matter brought peace to the world we should have seen it by now.

Maybe you need to stop your wishful thinking like Christians and Jews and stop  waiting for this sky hero none of you can prove exists and constantly fight over.

(April 2, 2015 at 4:22 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I believe in the wisdom manifested about how God uses his exalted ones in Quran and how he treats them. I also believe exalted ones exist rationally. When I say the wisdom is in the Quran, that's not to say I believe in the wisdom due it being in Quran, but rather I believe in the Quran due the wisdom that is in it.

What if we compare the wisdom of the Quran against the wisdom of other religions and discover that the Quran is not uniquely wise?

(April 2, 2015 at 4:22 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Of course there is good people from all religions, but, we can know people of higher wisdom will follow the truth and not incline to falsehood, the best people God would honor them with exalted wisdom since it's a virtue to seek wisdom, and they would seek it being the best people.

What if we compare the saints of Islam against the saints of other religions and discover that Islam is not unique in producing saints?

Finally, what if we compare the beliefs of Islam with other religions and decide that they are contradictory? Then IMO, we shouldn't believe any of these religions.

Well no matter how different the fans of each claim, you are still talking about books of blood sacrifice and an under a rule of a immovable figure who demands loyalty of their followers respectively. I think it is an extremely immoral concept to claim to be all loving and set these three tribes on this rock and sit and watch while they spend thousands of years murdering each other.

Islam is just as absurd as Christianity. Both are founded by guys proclaiming to be the final authority. One says you can't go to heaven except through him and the other says he's the last profit; both having nothing but hot air to support the claims. The fact that billions of people are gullible enough to buy this bullshit is astounding. They are both just like the asshole trying to sell you a $3000 vacuum cleaner proclaiming "It's the last vacuum cleaner you'll ever need". 

Child indoctrination is the only explanation of why there are so many believers. Evidence of this, and demonstration why none of it's true, is that as a percentage of the believing population it's rare for someone to switch teams. It does happen, but if one were the truth even playing by religious rules I would expect to see a mass exodus to the one true religion. Like I said, more evidence that it's all bullshit.

(April 2, 2015 at 4:59 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote:

(April 2, 2015 at 4:22 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I believe in the wisdom manifested about how God uses his exalted ones in Quran and how he treats them. I also believe exalted ones exist rationally. When I say the wisdom is in the Quran, that's not to say I believe in the wisdom due it being in Quran, but rather I believe in the Quran due the wisdom that is in it.

What if we compare the wisdom of the Quran against the wisdom of other religions and discover that the Quran is not uniquely wise?

What other religion has the same wisdom that isn't an offshoot of Islam? The Prophets in the Bible do horrible things sometimes, so how can they the best exalted ones, when they do things none of us would do.

Can anyone find me a more beautiful baby than my own?

(April 2, 2015 at 7:04 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(April 2, 2015 at 4:59 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote: What if we compare the wisdom of the Quran against the wisdom of other religions and discover that the Quran is not uniquely wise?

What other religion has the same wisdom that isn't an offshoot of Islam? The Prophets in the Bible do horrible things sometimes, so how can they the best exalted ones, when they do things none of us would do.

I'm don't know much about these religions, but: Hinduism, Buddhism. Gnosticism, Cynicism, Taoism, Animism.
I have only read snippets of the Bhagavad Gita, but it seems inspiring. I have also heard that the Upanishads are wise.

What wisdom?

What can I possibly learn from these books? They happened to know a few things that were surprising for people to know at that time, if you wildly interpret the words to fit something we've since found out?

I'm not too impressed. And even if they did know stuff, I don't care. It's not proof of anything. If a book has something useful in it, I can read and make use of that part of the book without having to worship the rest of the book, pretend it is all true including outrageous supernatural claims, and make a massive deal out of it.

They certainly have nothing to teach me about morality, my own morality is far superior to what these books have to say. Almost everyone is more intelligent and more moral than the gods and people protrayed in these books. Even the people who worship those books.

I'm very glad for you if these books make you happy. But to me they are worthless drivel. If I want to learn something, I'll read a proper factual book.

(April 2, 2015 at 7:22 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote:

(April 2, 2015 at 7:04 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: What other religion has the same wisdom that isn't an offshoot of Islam? The Prophets in the Bible do horrible things sometimes, so how can they the best exalted ones, when they do things none of us would do.

I'm don't know much about these religions, but: Hinduism, Buddhism. Gnosticism, Cynicism, Taoism, Animism.
I have only read snippets of the Bhagavad Gita, but it seems inspiring. I have also heard that the Upanishads are wise.

Do they emphasize on the wisdom shown in the OP?

(April 3, 2015 at 7:19 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

(April 2, 2015 at 7:22 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote: I'm don't know much about these religions, but: Hinduism, Buddhism. Gnosticism, Cynicism, Taoism, Animism.
I have only read snippets of the Bhagavad Gita, but it seems inspiring. I have also heard that the Upanishads are wise.

Do they emphasize on the wisdom shown in the OP?

I only read small pieces of the Bhagavad Gita and nothing from the other books. The Bhagavad Gita seems to mainly discuss how people should live their lives ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita )

I don't know how these ideas compare with the Quran, because I've never read the Quran. Of course the names of God is not unique. Judaism has always had that idea. Gnosticism has similar ideas.