There is only one truth. Prophets try to get us to follow it as much as possible, they being free from any falsehood.

(April 4, 2015 at 6:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: There is only one truth. Prophets try to get us to follow it as much as possible, they being free from any falsehood.

Well, well, this smiley is useful, after all!

(April 4, 2015 at 6:27 pm)Cato Wrote:

(April 4, 2015 at 5:44 pm)Nestor Wrote: You were like a deist 6 months ago. WTF happened? Did you "reason" your way to these ideas? Did you have a mental breakdown and found this helpful in YOUR therapy? Fine, but stop pretending like we're supposed to just say, "Oh, okay, yes, I see, that makes perfect sense, thank you for that insight."

I had the same thought. Barring an unfortunate accident resulting in severe head trauma, I have serious doubts that the person typing is the same one we have come to know as MK. For me it's not just the drastic shift in content, but the tone and tenor seem drastically different.

Right. He went from thoughtful and honest inquirer to incoherent, mindless babbler à la (no pun intended) mrlstoner. It's sad really. I liked reading his posts before. 

(April 4, 2015 at 6:20 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(April 4, 2015 at 5:41 pm)Chas Wrote: Then they should promote secular humanism.

Why should human judgement be preferred over God's judgement, if majority of people accept God's judgement? Secular humanism only makes sense if there isn't a God.

Seriously?  Provide evidence that your god exists, then that anyone hears him.   Secular humanism makes sense god or no god.

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Quote:People are free to believe whatever woo they want; they can't be allowed to rule others with woo.

So secular people can rule people by their opinion...but people can't rule people by values and laws they deemed revealed by God? Why not? Are these people suppose to rule but ignore what they think is truth?

Provide evidence that your god exists, then evidence that anyone knows what god's will is.

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Quote:Do you have recordings of God speaking?  Will you share them?

The words of God meant for others are only conveyed by Prophets.  However God can whisper to someone secretly, but they should keep what God tells them a secret and their relationship with God a secret. I'm not stating I have this relationship. I'm just stating people not conveying what God secret whispers to them doesn't mean people aren't being talked to by God.

Provide evidence that your god exists, then evidence that these prophets know what god wants.

You're long on claims but short on evidence.

I eagerly await your evidence.  Tip:  the Qur'an is not evidence.

Guys I don't attack you. Why are you attacking me?

I'm discussing my philosophical reasoning to choosing Islam.  So far, I've seen the main dispute is about God existing. Well I believed in God before anyways.

And I've discussed praise and greatness and morality proving God before. The arguments for God have not changed of mine.

But what I see now as opposed to before is that the philosophy of God appointing guides that I've presented is logical, rational, and manifest, if you accept God and his exalted attributes and beautiful names.

Mystic, are you aware there are and have been false prophets?
How can you tell the false from the real?
How can you tell if you have followed a false one?

(April 4, 2015 at 7:24 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: But what I see now as opposed to before is that the philosophy of God appointing guides that I've presented is logical, rational, and manifest, if you accept God and his exalted attributes and beautiful names.

No, it is not logical, nor rational.

The exalted god would present itself the same way to every single person on Earth. Instead, we get the guy presenting itself to a few select individuals who then preach what the god allegedly told them.
I see that as a strong hint that god didn't tell anyone anything, while a few select individuals claim it.... but they lie.
As people so often do, they lie.... or someone lies for them after they become some sort of well known leaders and the prophet status gets attached to them as a means to enhance the control the ruling class already has over the people.
Again, people ruling people.

It worked. I must say, it worked quite well... in the middle-east...
But it can't work under the worldwide community... Will have to account for all the other claimants to similar, but discordant, prophecies.

Either only one of them is right... or none.
Odds are: none.

(April 4, 2015 at 6:20 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I reasoned my way to these ideas.

Show us that process?

(April 4, 2015 at 7:24 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Guys I don't attack you. Why are you attacking me?

I'm discussing my philosophical reasoning to choosing Islam.  So far, I've seen the main dispute is about God existing. Well I believed in God before anyways.

And I've discussed praise and greatness and morality proving God before. The arguments for God have not changed of mine.

But what I see now as opposed to before is that the philosophy of God appointing guides that I've presented is logical, rational, and manifest, if you accept God and his exalted attributes and beautiful names.

It's not that you are devoted that's annoying, it's that you're talking at us as if we're not familiar with run-of-the-mill religious assertions. I have yet to see a serious argument for Islam from you. 

This is getting boring guys. I wanted to see objections to the reasoning I showed. 

You guys know I believe in God, so it makes no sense to attack that part of the argument.

I didn't write this thread to convince anyone here of Islam. I know you guys don't believe in God.

All I was showing this the proof of Islam vs Deism I've come up with. It's my reasoning, and so far, I've defended the argument.

Quote:The exalted god would present itself the same way to every single person on Earth.

We already discussed this. You brought this objection, and I discussed it.