RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins
April 13, 2015 at 5:08 pm
(This post was last modified: April 13, 2015 at 5:15 pm by Vicki Q.)
(April 12, 2015 at 12:37 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote: If the story about disrupting the money changing in the temple is true, then that would have probably been sufficient justification. I believe the Romans were taking money from the Temple to build an aqueduct at some point (I can't remember if this was around 30 AD). Maybe Jesus' criticism of the temple money changers was also a criticism of Temple money going to the Romans.
There is probably more to the story than we see in the gospels IMO.
The action in the Temple was certainly a “We've got to do something, now” thing. Given Jesus put himself out there as a source of forgiveness away from the Temple, the authorities would have reacted in the same way as they did with John the Baptist who did the same thing. Then Jesus goes and disrupts their business...
It's important to understand that this was an acted parable of judgement. Jesus was in effect saying that Israel's God was judging and redeeming his people, that Israel had been found wanting, and that the Temple was to be destroyed. Jesus was to be the new means of sin redemption (“I will rebuild the Temple in 3 days”). No way would the authorities allow Jesus to get too popular with that, especially with the Romans breathing down their necks about Messiah-liberation.
(April 12, 2015 at 1:00 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Someone wake me up when any of this can be relevant to the idea that Mr. Christ is/was god.
I must challenge the claim of irrelevance here. (Above post is also to be read.)
The Jewish OT narrative was sin → exile → forgiveness → restoration. Although the exile had geographically ended, the C1 Israel consensus was that promised arrival of God's kingdom hadn't happened, what with the Romans running the show. Therefore they hadn't been forgiven. Israel was waiting for God to sort things out.
When the whole Jesus thing was over, the realisation dawned that God
had acted, decisively, to enact his Kingdom, to return as King to Israel, to bring redemption from sin, and to destroy the power of sin and death. And he had done it in the person of Jesus. Jesus had done what God and God alone had said he would do.
So to say that Jesus had died claiming it would bring redemption is directly linked to a role reserved to God. And if the resurrection happened, death would have been beaten, and that claim would have been vindicated.
And, to draw a further conclusion, without a clear belief in Jesus' resurrection, the disciples would have had nothing to say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=albGoar3P0I
I bet he killed loads of people. Probably took his own name in vein, and ripped off candy from kids.
