I'm curious to find out if most atheists hate the 'ancient alien' theory because it goes against "evolution" dogma of Atheism.

According to Darwin's theory, it should have taken humans millions of years to evolve to the intelligent species that we are today.

Here's my issue: and why I think 21st century Atheism is no different than 14th century Catholicism dictatorship. In the 14th century if you said the earth might not be the centre of the universe "you'd be hanged on the stake". In the 21st century if you say the universe might of been created by intelligent design 'you're career is over and you'd be labelled as a quack".

Meanwhile, in the 14th century. Hidden from public attention a small group of mathmatecians and scientist were secretley trying to figure out how the universe worked and prayed that they didn't get caught trying to do something blasphemous like going against the 'status quo". Same thing in the 21st century "theist scientists and even agnostic scientists" must surely be secretley be in the closet trying to figure out "the status quo tells me 'Do not look there, there is nothing to see there", but I feel they are wrong".

Today, as a scientist. If you so dare go against the 'status quo' of Atheism you lose your job.

So what's the flaw? Atheism is slowly but surely becoming a cult-following, within a hundred years a hierarchy council will be formed similar to the catholic/jewdaism/islam councils. And future scientists trying to disprove the 'status quo' that evolution created humanity will be burnt to the stake and witch hunted (figuratively speaking). Why will they be witch hunted? You're average atheists could care less if someone is researching 'intelligent design', but the hierarchy of the new Atheism in elitists in power will feel threatened.

Do you feel - Atheism is slowly going to become corrupt like religions? Scientists will not be permitted to look into 'supernatural' or 'mistisism' and try to find a scientific reasoning - as it would be deemed blasphemy and heretic as an Atheist society.

I don't "hate" any theory. But I don't believe anything without a good reason to do so either.

There is no atheist dogma, evolution and atheism are not related.

(April 18, 2015 at 3:33 pm)robvalue Wrote: I don't "hate" any theory. But I don't believe anything without a good reason to do so either.
There is no atheist dogma, evolution and atheism are not related.

Evolution and Atheism is not related? 

So if we send man to Mars and they land on "the face on mars" and discover its artificial. Wouldn't that shatter the fabric of Atheism?
That would mean "gods" (whether mortal or not) created humans.

The consequences:
1. A revival of Theism (people worshipping the creators, new religions popping up)
2. A revolution of Atheism (for more tolerance)
3. The decline of the archaic old-age 21st century bigoted Atheism, where the mentality was "if the status quo says theres no proof, I can't research it"

Is that what that would mean (ignoring how silly the thought experiment is, of course)?  How did you draw that conclusion...if you don't mind me asking?

You don't lose your job as a scientist of you're not atheist. That's a stupid lie.

And no, people haven't changed since the 1400s, only the culture. If atheism were to be instituted as a forced state doctrine, it would be similarly harmful and corrupted as other imposed ideologies. That's why no progressive atheist wants an atheist state. Most of us are secularists who want a state which allows the free exercise of religion for everyone equally within certain reasonable bounds.

No, they are not related. Atheism is the lack of belief in gods, it says nothing about why the person came to that conclusion. They may believe any kind of weird alternative to evolution.

You're confusing atheism, scepticism and a scientific theory. Please take the time to research the difference or ask if you're not sure.

Quote:According to Darwin's theory, it should have taken humans millions of years to evolve to the intelligent species that we are today.

It did....and judging from the stupidity of theists many have still not made it.

If you think evolution is a dogma, you must not know much about the history of the idea ... or you are confusing "dogma" with, well, "fact".

I think the idea of alien visitation is rejected for lack of evidence. Such an extraordinary claim needs powerful evidence that is thus far lacking.

(April 18, 2015 at 3:42 pm)Alex K Wrote: You don't lose your job as a scientist of you're not atheist. That's a stupid lie.

And no, people haven't changed since the 1400s, only the culture. If atheism were to be instituted as a forced state doctrine, it would be similarly harmful and corrupted as other imposed ideologies. That's why no progressive atheist wants an atheist state. Most of us are secularists who want a state which allows the free exercise of religion for everyone equally within certain reasonable bounds.

I 100% agree with you. But many of my theist friends feel threatened that Atheism will become the new dogma the new religion (yes I know its not a religion, but good luck trying to convince a theist). 

In their eyes, if government forces you to "not believe in X" than that's like N.Korea (an atheist nation) saying Kim Jun Un is your overlord Master.

(April 18, 2015 at 3:39 pm)superAtheistnut Wrote:

(April 18, 2015 at 3:33 pm)robvalue Wrote: I don't "hate" any theory. But I don't believe anything without a good reason to do so either.
There is no atheist dogma, evolution and atheism are not related.

Evolution and Atheism is not related? 

So if we send man to Mars and they land on "the face on mars" and discover its artificial. Wouldn't that shatter the fabric of Atheism?
That would mean "gods" (whether mortal or not) created humans.

The consequences:
1. A revival of Theism (people worshipping the creators, new religions popping up)
2. A revolution of Atheism (for more tolerance)
3. The decline of the archaic old-age 21st century bigoted Atheism, where the mentality was "if the status quo says theres no proof, I can't research it"

No it wouldn't mean that. But what the hell doea that have to do with the theory of evolution?

Can you please stop telling us what Atheism supposedly is and believes, you don't know enough to pull it off. Come off your high horse, it is tiresome to listen to ignorant people who are unaware of their ignorance.