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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 20, 2015 at 12:56 pm
(April 20, 2015 at 12:32 pm)alpha male Wrote: (April 20, 2015 at 11:33 am)Alex K Wrote: ^ Here you argue against robvalue, essentially telling him that he is not going to be punished merely for refusing to believe. Now you admit that he would be punished for refusing to believe alone.
And as he has sinned in other ways, he will not be punished just for refusing to believe.
*sigh.*
And if he led a sinless life, but was an atheist, would he be punished? 
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 20, 2015 at 3:13 pm
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(April 20, 2015 at 12:52 pm)Alex K Wrote: (April 20, 2015 at 12:51 pm)alpha male Wrote: As far as I can tell, you're missing a point to your argument. That you are blatantly in contradiction with yourself?
I disagree. If you like, present the quotes (not paraphrases) that you think are contradictory, and if they are, I'll rephrase as needed.
BTW, note that denying the spirit means that the spirit was indeed testifying to the person, and the person purposely denied it. In context, the Pharisees acknowledged the miracles performed by Jesus, but denied that they were the work of the spirit.
This is much different from the atheist position that no evidence was received.
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 21, 2015 at 1:42 am
So if someone lives a "sinless" life, but doesn't believe in Christianity, they get into heaven Alpha?
If you're just going to say it's impossible, then really, disbelief is enough to keep you out of heaven.
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 21, 2015 at 7:18 am
I thought that basically no-one is without sin.
So if you wanted to get to heaven you'd have to ask to be forgiven and you wouldn't do that if you didn't believe.
Therefore argument makes no sense.
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 21, 2015 at 7:22 am
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Yeah, I thought it was a sin be human because of ancestral fruit consumption. Each Christian has their own idea, so I can't tell if Alpha thinks I'm accountable for having been born. Maybe he doesn't. 
If anyone needs an apology, it's me. I didn't sign up for this shit, I got tossed in here like a body dump. I'm not going to apologize for something I had nothing to do with.
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 21, 2015 at 7:41 am
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(April 21, 2015 at 1:42 am)robvalue Wrote: So if someone lives a "sinless" life, but doesn't believe in Christianity, they get into heaven Alpha?
If you're just going to say it's impossible, then really, disbelief is enough to keep you out of heaven.
I don't recall arguing that disbelief isn't enough to keep one out of heaven.
Nor is belief in God's existence sufficient to get one into heaven.
(April 21, 2015 at 7:22 am)robvalue Wrote: Yeah, I thought it was a sin be human because of ancestral fruit consumption. Each Christian has their own idea, so I can't tell if Alpha thinks I'm accountable for having been born. Maybe he doesn't. I subscribe to an age of accountability doctrine. IMO you need to consciously sin on your own above that age in order to be damned.
Quote:If anyone needs an apology, it's me. I didn't sign up for this shit, I got tossed in here like a body dump. I'm not going to apologize for something I had nothing to do with.
So don't. Doesn't bother me.
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 21, 2015 at 9:39 am
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Right...
OK cool, so I can get into heaven if I don't sin! That's good to know.
Unfortunately, plenty of other people will tell me otherwise and I have no way of knowing who is right.
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 21, 2015 at 10:06 am
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(April 20, 2015 at 3:13 pm)alpha male Wrote: This is much different from the atheist position that no evidence was received.
No compelling evidence, sure; otherwise we'd be theists. And presented, by theists. Received could presuppose the notion of a god actively communing with us, whatever form that may take in practice.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 21, 2015 at 12:28 pm
(April 21, 2015 at 9:39 am)robvalue Wrote: Right...
OK cool, so I can get into heaven if I don't sin! That's good to know. Unless you've already sinned, in which case it's of no use.
Quote:Unfortunately, plenty of other people will tell me otherwise and I have no way of knowing who is right.
As you've already sinned, it doesn't matter who's right.
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 21, 2015 at 12:34 pm
Alpha Male, I disagree. All atheists eventually end up in Hell.
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