(April 30, 2015 at 12:39 pm)alpha male Wrote: And it acknowledges that its message appears foolish to human wisdom:

And this is what we call a loophole.
Or, a get out of jail free card.

(April 30, 2015 at 3:15 am)Godschild Wrote:

(April 29, 2015 at 6:35 pm)Mental Outlaw Wrote: Taking a look at some of the problems with Sodom and Gomorrah, Why did God need to send angels to scout the city for him?  Why would God negotiate with Abraham about the people in the city?  Why didn't God keep lot from getting raped?  And much more.

You want to be taken serious, you need to get though the first grade. Most ridiculous cap I've ever seen.

GC

Not compared to your stupid, fucking, buy-bull, G-C.

(April 30, 2015 at 12:44 pm)LostLocke Wrote:

(April 30, 2015 at 12:39 pm)alpha male Wrote: And it acknowledges that its message appears foolish to human wisdom:

And this is what we call a loophole.
Or, a get out of jail free card.

Pay no attention to the reasonable doubts you may have.  Why?  Because:

(April 30, 2015 at 12:19 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: The problem is that god is initially described in terms of omniscience and omnipotence, and is still described by Christians of all flavors as being perfect.

I'm not so sure about that.  I think that the god of the Bible is pretty poorly defined, and there isn't really a place where a comprehensive description can be found.  As with so much of the Bible, the bits and pieces that are scattered all about can be taken to create a pretty wide range of gods.  It just depends on which bits you select and which you leave out.  You could probably use several different verses to show god to be a normal human being, and several others to show him as an unstoppable force of nature.

Yeah, people frequently post pictures when they don't have a real response.

(April 30, 2015 at 12:58 pm)alpha male Wrote: Yeah, people frequently post pictures when they don't have a real response.

You posted a bunch of garbage that can be boiled down to "Don't think about it, because god is wise and awesome because he is."  There's not much to respond to, beyond you demonstrating the typical apologist circular logic, as though it's somehow not fallacious and compelling.

You gotta do better than that.

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(April 30, 2015 at 12:57 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(April 30, 2015 at 12:19 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: The problem is that god is initially described in terms of omniscience and omnipotence, and is still described by Christians of all flavors as being perfect.

I'm not so sure about that.  I think that the god of the Bible is pretty poorly defined, and there isn't really a place where a comprehensive description can be found.  As with so much of the Bible, the bits and pieces that are scattered all about can be taken to create a pretty wide range of gods.  It just depends on which bits you select and which you leave out.  You could probably use several different verses to show god to be a normal human being, and several others to show him as an unstoppable force of nature.

Yeah, that's a good point.

My main beef is the popular, "god is perfect and/or does things in mysterious ways because he's infallible" crap.  It's such a BS position to hold when mortals regularly confounded his plans in the OT.  The apologists' reply is essentially "Tis only a flesh wound!"

If you want logic, here's some:

People are emotional and logical beings. More emotional than logical in my experience.
God is portrayed as both an emotional and logical being.

Logic tells me that when one emotional being communicates to another emotional being at length, the communication is likely to involve quite a bit of emotion.

What I find illogical is your position that you would expect such communication to be logical like computer code.

Quote:You gotta do better than that.

He can't.

Quote:If you want logic, here's some:

I want facts, not what passes for logic in the mind of someone who believes in fairy tales.

(April 30, 2015 at 1:24 pm)alpha male Wrote: Logic tells me that when one emotional being communicates to another emotional being at length, the communication is likely to involve quite a bit of emotion.

So God, who created humans, can't bypass the emotional side and speak logically with humans?

(April 30, 2015 at 1:51 pm)LostLocke Wrote:

(April 30, 2015 at 1:24 pm)alpha male Wrote: Logic tells me that when one emotional being communicates to another emotional being at length, the communication is likely to involve quite a bit of emotion.

So God, who created humans, can't bypass the emotional side and speak logically with humans?

Why would he? You reach emotional beings through emotions. That's why I see less logic and more memes coming from atheists.