(May 5, 2015 at 8:35 am)Riketto Wrote: All the water from the rivers sooner or later end up in the ocean to become one with the ocean.
Yoga is all about helping the flow to reach the ocean as soon as possible.
What's the point in getting stuck somewhere in the swamps and rotting for years or for lives after lives.
We are all different with different peculiarities so it obvious that there may be some small differences
in understanding how we should proceed but if we follow the correct path we are bound to merge in
the ocean and become one with the ocean.
How do you then know whether you are right or not?
As you can perceive that the flow get you closer and closer to the ocean you automatically know that you are doing well.
And how do you know that other people that also follow your path are also doing well or not?
This is very interesting indeed.
You can see from the eyes, and from the peace of mind of that person which you can perceive.
As you can perceive bad vibration from a drunkard you also can perceive good vibration from someone clean inside.

Once again you are back to admitting that you can't actually demonstrate these things that you believe, and you somehow have decided that this means that you shouldn't worry about whether or not you can demonstrate them.  You find it important to believe in something specific with no real idea as to why you believe it.  That only serves to convince people who already believe it, or who want to be convinced.  So we are back to "I believe it because I believe it."  That's not a good reason to believe anything.

Rikky, is it possible - just once - for you to answer a damn question honestly and politely and without hiding behind a fuck-shit ad hominem?

(May 5, 2015 at 8:35 am)Riketto Wrote: Oh by the way.
How do i know that he is a real guru which reach the goal of life?
Because his method works very well and because he could (when alive) raise anybody
kundalini.

Did he teach you the meaning of that?

(May 5, 2015 at 8:35 am)Riketto Wrote: Oh by the way.
How do i know that he is a real guru which reach the goal of life?
Because his method works very well and because he could (when alive) raise anybody
kundalini.

(emphasis mine)

How on earth would you know this?

(May 5, 2015 at 9:19 am)Stimbo Wrote: Rikky, is it possible - just once - for you to answer a damn question honestly and politely and without hiding behind a fuck-shit ad hominem?

I'll answer for him.....
No.

(May 5, 2015 at 9:05 am)Tonus Wrote:

(May 5, 2015 at 8:35 am)Riketto Wrote: All the water from the rivers sooner or later end up in the ocean to become one with the ocean.
Yoga is all about helping the flow to reach the ocean as soon as possible.
What's the point in getting stuck somewhere in the swamps and rotting for years or for lives after lives.
We are all different with different peculiarities so it obvious that there may be some small differences
in understanding how we should proceed but if we follow the correct path we are bound to merge in
the ocean and become one with the ocean.
How do you then know whether you are right or not?
As you can perceive that the flow get you closer and closer to the ocean you automatically know that you are doing well.
And how do you know that other people that also follow your path are also doing well or not?
This is very interesting indeed.
You can see from the eyes, and from the peace of mind of that person which you can perceive.
As you can perceive bad vibration from a drunkard you also can perceive good vibration from someone clean inside.

Once again you are back to admitting that you can't actually demonstrate these things that you believe, and you somehow have decided that this means that you shouldn't worry about whether or not you can demonstrate them.  You find it important to believe in something specific with no real idea as to why you believe it.  That only serves to convince people who already believe it, or who want to be convinced.  So we are back to "I believe it because I believe it."  That's not a good reason to believe anything.

Once again you are back to admitting that you can't actually distinguish between physical evidence and non physical evidence like spiritual evidence.
If you would have paid attention to my words...........As you can perceive that the flow get you closer and closer to the ocean you automatically know that you are doing well.........you
could have understood that to me this evidence.
Suppose that you are lost in the forest.
You feel like drinking and you feel that by finding a river you will find your way out the mess in which you are.
Slowly, slowly you hear the noise that the water make when is flowing.
The more you head in direction of that noise and the more you are sure that your path is the right one.
Do you follow me now? 

(May 5, 2015 at 10:39 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(May 5, 2015 at 8:35 am)Riketto Wrote: Oh by the way.
How do i know that he is a real guru which reach the goal of life?
Because his method works very well and because he could (when alive) raise anybody
kundalini.

Did he teach you the meaning of that?

That and more.

https://dadadharma.wordpress.com/

http://anandamarga.org/articles/kundalinii/

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(May 5, 2015 at 12:12 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(May 5, 2015 at 8:35 am)Riketto Wrote: Oh by the way.
How do i know that he is a real guru which reach the goal of life?
Because his method works very well and because he could (when alive) raise anybody
kundalini.

(emphasis mine)

How on earth would you know this?

Because he did several times and has been witnessed by many of his followers Rik included.
Yes little Rik is not physically young anymore but when he was he saw Sarkar many times.

(May 6, 2015 at 7:25 am)Riketto Wrote: Once again you are back to admitting that you can't actually distinguish between physical evidence and non physical evidence like spiritual evidence.
If you would have paid attention to my words...........As you can perceive that the flow get you closer and closer to the ocean you automatically know that you are doing well.........you
could have understood that to me this evidence.
Suppose that you are lost in the forest.
You feel like drinking and you feel that by finding a river you will find your way out the mess in which you are.
Slowly, slowly you hear the noise that the water make when is flowing.
The more you head in direction of that noise and the more you are sure that your path is the right one.
Do you follow me now? 

You are explaining how we can use non-physical evidence to detect something by comparing it to... physical evidence.  I've read your words, and they say the same thing over and over.  Non-physical evidence is the sort of evidence that you "just know."  Which makes you no different than the child who plays with an invisible friend, or the man who holds lengthy philosophical discussions with his neighbor's dog.  In other words, there's no reason to think that your non-physical evidence exists anywhere outside of your imagination.

(May 6, 2015 at 9:47 am)Tonus Wrote:

(May 6, 2015 at 7:25 am)Riketto Wrote: Once again you are back to admitting that you can't actually distinguish between physical evidence and non physical evidence like spiritual evidence.
If you would have paid attention to my words...........As you can perceive that the flow get you closer and closer to the ocean you automatically know that you are doing well.........you
could have understood that to me this evidence.
Suppose that you are lost in the forest.
You feel like drinking and you feel that by finding a river you will find your way out the mess in which you are.
Slowly, slowly you hear the noise that the water make when is flowing.
The more you head in direction of that noise and the more you are sure that your path is the right one.
Do you follow me now? 

You are explaining how we can use non-physical evidence to detect something by comparing it to... physical evidence.  I've read your words, and they say the same thing over and over.  Non-physical evidence is the sort of evidence that you "just know."  Which makes you no different than the child who plays with an invisible friend, or the man who holds lengthy philosophical discussions with his neighbor's dog.  In other words, there's no reason to think that your non-physical evidence exists anywhere outside of your imagination.

What about you Ton.
Have you got any physical evidence that back up your believes?
Put it in this way.
In this physical world there is NOTHING fixed.
Everything move and change with no stop in sight so how can you ever believe that anything in this universe is absolute true?
What was true in the past has been cast in the rubbish bin of history and what is true today will also end up in the rubbish bin very soon
so if you really believe that you stand on top of solid foundations you will be quite disappointed soon.
I on the other hand aim on something that is fixed and therefore it is unlikely that will cause bad surprised in the future  but you never know Ton
the future will tell. 

I might even argue that gods don't even exist within people's imagination, because the way they often describe them makes them seemingly impossible to actually imagine.

But maybe my imagination isn't powerful enough. It's pretty good though. Can people really imagine a "spaceless timeless infinite being"?

What I suspect is they have a separate image of what God actually is like, regardless of what words they use to describe all the things it isn't. I'd love to know what those images are, but I don't know if anyone would be bold enough to admit to it. Or just tell me I'm totally wrong and a jackass.