(May 5, 2015 at 9:53 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(April 24, 2015 at 7:56 am)pocaracas Wrote: So we have Moses, bringing "his people" from Egypt to Mt. Sinai where Jehova gives him the ten commandments...

And one of them is simply "you shall not murder", but... but... what did god do with all the plagues he sent down on Egypt, particularly the one with all the firstborns, if not murdering?

What sort of moral authority does such a being have to tell his "children" not to murder when that's exactly what he did a couple of pages back?!

"Thou shall not kill" is one of the laws; it's not one of the Ten Commandments.  It was never written on the stone tablets.

Well, that it was never written on stone tablets may be actually true.

But it is one of the ten commandments from the bible http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_kill:

Quote:Thou shalt not kill (LXX; οὐ φονεύσεις), You shall not murder (Hebrew לֹא תִּרְצָח lo tirṣaḥ) or You shall not kill (KJV), is a moral imperative included as one of the Ten Commandments in the Torah,[1] specifically Exodus 20:13 and Deuteronomy 5:17.

The imperative is against unlawful killing resulting in bloodguilt.[2] The Hebrew Bible contains numerous prohibitions against unlawful killing, but also allows for justified killing in the context of warfare, capital punishment, and self-defense.

Maybe you're using the wrong version of the tale...?
Here, try this site, it has several versions of the same tale: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...xodus%2020

This video covers why "shalt not kill" isn't one of the 10 commandments as far as the bible goes:

http://youtu.be/pkCJ8rb8Grw

So... god couldn't remember the first ten commandments, so he had a second batch (one that considers all that had passed in the meantime)?!

Yeah, it's pretty dumb isn't it. Maybe he realised he just ordered the breaking of his own "not kill" commandment in the interlude, so didn't think it should make the top ten this time.

(May 6, 2015 at 4:42 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(May 5, 2015 at 9:53 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: "Thou shall not kill" is one of the laws; it's not one of the Ten Commandments.  It was never written on the stone tablets.

Well, that it was never written on stone tablets may be actually true.

But it is one of the ten commandments from the bible http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_kill:

Quote:Thou shalt not kill (LXX; οὐ φονεύσεις), You shall not murder (Hebrew לֹא תִּרְצָח lo tirṣaḥ) or You shall not kill (KJV), is a moral imperative included as one of the Ten Commandments in the Torah,[1] specifically Exodus 20:13 and Deuteronomy 5:17.

The imperative is against unlawful killing resulting in bloodguilt.[2] The Hebrew Bible contains numerous prohibitions against unlawful killing, but also allows for justified killing in the context of warfare, capital punishment, and self-defense.

Maybe you're using the wrong version of the tale...?
Here, try this site, it has several versions of the same tale: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...xodus%2020

The main problem with discussing religion of forums is that people don't have a clue about what the ethnocentriv Middle Eastern religious fairy  tales really say.  The conventional list of items known as the Ten Commandments are laws; they are not the actual Ten Commandments that were written on the stone tablets that Moses broke and rewrote.  Those Ten Commandments are found in Exodus chapter 34 and the First Commandment tells them to destroy other people's religious artifacts and to steal their land.  None of those commandments prohibit slaughtering other people.  

You don't have to debate the issue because you can read it for yourself.  Simply start reading from Exodus chapter 20 through Exodus chapter 34.  Make notes about the stuff you read in each chapter.  You will get to Exodus chapter 31:18 before you read about anything that was written on stone tables.

The lie about the list of items in Exodus chapter 20 being the Ten Commandments is simply to fool dummies.  Not too many people would get enthused about the real BS Ten Commandments in Exodus chapter 34 because they are so ethnocentric and tell the Jews to screw everyone and to stteal their land in the First Commandment.  

So read it for yourself, take notes about what you read, and go from there. And when you get to Exodus 34:28 where it says that the preceeding verbiage is the Ten Commandments that Moses wrote on the stone tablets you can say that it's BS.
htthttps://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exodus%2034:28&version=RSVCE;NCV;MEV;KJV;NLTp://

Thanks Wyrd, but Rob had already pointed out that detail.

So, it seems we have two sets of ten commandments, both were written in stone tablets, but the first set was hastily destroyed, before anyone, besides Moses, could check them... so Mo...errr... god wrote the second batch, considering all that happened in between.
It's as if that god didn't know what was about to happen and, as so often happens in the book, changed its mind...

(May 8, 2015 at 5:01 am)pocaracas Wrote: Thanks Wyrd, but Rob had already pointed out that detail.

So, it seems we have two sets of ten commandments, both were written in stone tablets, but the first set was hastily destroyed, before anyone, besides Moses, could check them... so Mo...errr... god wrote the second batch, considering all that happened in between.
It's as if that god didn't know what was about to happen and, as so often happens in the book, changed its mind...

You keep missing the point.  The list of laws in Exodus chapter 20 were never, ever, written on the stone tablets and therefore they were never broken by Moses.  Moses made a couple of trips up and down various mountains dribbling out BS that he forced the dummies to follow.  He was the original ISIS founder.  

(May 8, 2015 at 5:13 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(May 8, 2015 at 5:01 am)pocaracas Wrote: Thanks Wyrd, but Rob had already pointed out that detail.

So, it seems we have two sets of ten commandments, both were written in stone tablets, but the first set was hastily destroyed, before anyone, besides Moses, could check them... so Mo...errr... god wrote the second batch, considering all that happened in between.
It's as if that god didn't know what was about to happen and, as so often happens in the book, changed its mind...

You keep missing the point.  The list of laws in Exodus chapter 20 were never, ever, written on the stone tablets and therefore they were never broken by Moses.  Moses made a couple of trips up and down various mountains dribbling out BS that he forced the dummies to follow.  He was the original ISIS founder.  

Ah.. indeed... the first batch was just spoken to Moses. Whatever god says should be followed to the letter, that's what the other Mo "did".

Well... he was the original Mohamed - Mo & Mo.

Or M&M for short.

And that's where sweets come from.

(May 8, 2015 at 9:20 am)robvalue Wrote: Or M&M for short.

And that's where sweets come from.

The ones that melt in your mouth.. not your hands