Prince, don't expect to be taken seriously on Atheist Forums. Plenty of Muhammadans converts to religions besides Christianity. And lots of people become Muhammadan too, unfortunately. Please don't think you're anything special. No offense. I say this in the nicest possible way.

Lightning Storm Therefore God where I guy tells the world how he found Muhammad.

I've also never said the experience wasn't a real one. I know myself how real such experiences can seem. However, I also know the brain's propensity for playing tricks under certain circumstances. That's all we're doing here; exploring the range of plausible, likely options and trying to eliminate those first, instead of leaping to the least likely conclusion and then having to defend it.

(May 8, 2015 at 3:42 pm)Prince Wrote:

(May 8, 2015 at 3:29 pm)robvalue Wrote: Yep. I've managed to convince myself that music from a computer game is different to how it actually is, to the point where the original music actually sounds wrong to me. So I have to consider, what is more likely? My memory is distorted, or every copy of the game has somehow had its music slightly changed since I played it?

My guess it this experience is very special to you, so you don't want to think about the possibility that it wasn't in some way real.

And to be fair to us, you didn't say you were looking for answers to begin with, you said you were just telling us angels and god exist and that we should accept that.

I was bringing to the possibility that God and Angels might exists based on what i have experienced. That's all. Plus, i was not sure and i really needed some opinions as well. 

I guess i was being an asshole, my bad!

No problem

Sure, it may be possible they exist. It may not be. We have nothing to compare one to should we find one (other people's anecdotes are as unreliable as our own, so apparent similarities really don't mean much). It would just be a new phenomenon of some sort. All I can say is they are doing a great job of remaining hidden almost all the time if they do exist.

But single experiences are sadly not good evidence for anything. We are really bad at remembering things accurately, and our brains can play all kinds of tricks on us. That's why the best way to truth is to concentrate on what can be reproduced and tested by multiple people multiple times, to try and eliminate the possibility that we're making a mistake in our evaluation. Otherwise all we are doing is speculating.

For example, I can't tell you how many times I've been dreaming, and in the dream I am so convinced it is real. I ask myself in the dream, is this a dream? I look around, I touch things, and I say no, this is reality! I can't be wrong! Then I wake up.

I can see how an experience as vivid as you describe could be very powerful, leaving you with the feelings that it must be real. But again, the mind can play tricks like these on you too very easily. 

You may indeed feel you have sufficient evidence, that is up to you do decide. Personally I would never feel that a single extraordinary experience I had was evidence of anything if I couldn't verify it. But that's just me.

(May 8, 2015 at 3:42 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: It seems odd that an ex-Muslim Atheist who thinks religion is bullshit would look to the bible for answers about an experience he had. I also find it hard to believe he had no prior knowledge of angel descriptions until he read the bible.

When i was 10 years old, my father slapped me in the face and kicked me in my stomach because i criticized prophet Muhammad during dinner time. I called Muhammad a fuckin moron and a deceiver of humanity.

I moved away from religion at a young age, even my grandfather which he passed away two month ago, his last words to me was: "If you are not a true Muslim, then who are you? A fuckin Jew or a Christian" 

I honestly never cared less about religion in the past or even reading the holy books, I may heard of angels at school, that's all i remember. But was a long time ago!

Godidit should always be the very last option for an explanation, when ALL natural and rational explanations have been exhausted. I am not saying God or the supernatural does not exist, I'm saying so far NOTHING in our history cannot be explained by natural ocurrences.
As to those who advocate a faith position - fuck you, and tell your god to put some actual evidence before me.

(May 8, 2015 at 3:55 pm)Prince Wrote:

(May 8, 2015 at 3:42 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: It seems odd that an ex-Muslim Atheist who thinks religion is bullshit would look to the bible for answers about an experience he had. I also find it hard to believe he had no prior knowledge of angel descriptions until he read the bible.

When i was 10 years old, my father slapped me in the face and kicked me in my stomach because i criticized prophet Muhammad during dinner time. I called Muhammad a fuckin moron and a deceiver of humanity.

I moved away from religion at a young age, even my grandfather which he passed away two month ago, his last words to me was: "If you are not a true Muslim, then who are you? A fuckin Jew or a Christian" 

I honestly never cared less about religion in the past or even reading the holy books, I may heard of angels at school, that's all i remember. But was a long time ago!

If you think religion is bullshit then why would consult a religious holy book and why would you believe anything it tells you?

(May 8, 2015 at 4:04 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote:

(May 8, 2015 at 3:55 pm)Prince Wrote: When i was 10 years old, my father slapped me in the face and kicked me in my stomach because i criticized prophet Muhammad during dinner time. I called Muhammad a fuckin moron and a deceiver of humanity.

I moved away from religion at a young age, even my grandfather which he passed away two month ago, his last words to me was: "If you are not a true Muslim, then who are you? A fuckin Jew or a Christian" 

I honestly never cared less about religion in the past or even reading the holy books, I may heard of angels at school, that's all i remember. But was a long time ago!

If you think religion is bullshit then why would consult a religious holy book and why would you believe anything it tells you?

I don't believe in a Holy Book, or a book from God as they say. I read the Bible as I am reading a history book. To examine the evidence regarding the spiritual being which I have encountered, also to compare the differences between the Quran and the Bible. I am sick of the people around whom they say, the bible is corrupted, and the Quran is the true word of God. SO, I decided to examine the facts. To study both religion and I was shocked when i saw some of the similarities between my story and of in the Bible. I thought it was interesting.

(May 8, 2015 at 3:55 pm)Prince Wrote:

(May 8, 2015 at 3:42 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: It seems odd that an ex-Muslim Atheist who thinks religion is bullshit would look to the bible for answers about an experience he had. I also find it hard to believe he had no prior knowledge of angel descriptions until he read the bible.

When i was 10 years old, my father slapped me in the face and kicked me in my stomach because i criticized prophet Muhammad during dinner time. I called Muhammad a fuckin moron and a deceiver of humanity.

I moved away from religion at a young age, even my grandfather which he passed away two month ago, his last words to me was: "If you are not a true Muslim, then who are you? A fuckin Jew or a Christian" 

I honestly never cared less about religion in the past or even reading the holy books, I may heard of angels at school, that's all i remember. But was a long time ago!

I'm very sorry to hear that  What a revolting way for any father to treat their child.

"spinning poetry from the threads of the universe", how metapoetic

(May 8, 2015 at 4:14 pm)Prince Wrote:

(May 8, 2015 at 4:04 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: If you think religion is bullshit then why would consult a religious holy book and why would you believe anything it tells you?

I don't believe in a Holy Book, or a book from God as they say. I read the Bible as I am reading a history book. To examine the evidence regarding the spiritual being which I have encountered, also to compare the differences between the Quran and the Bible. I am sick of the people around whom they say, the bible is corrupted, and the Quran is the true word of God. SO, I decided to examine the facts. To study both religion and I was shocked when i saw some of the similarities between my story and of in the Bible. I thought it was interesting.

And you said that you knew it was an angel because Daniel describes it as an angel. You claimed to know nothing about angels until you read about it in the bible, and cited Daniel as the evidence that it was in fact an angel.