(May 17, 2015 at 1:03 pm)Stimbo Wrote: He needs hospital treatment. Trust me on this.

Yeah...all the blood rushing to that thing is a health risk 

You don't need to tell me - I was that soldier.

(May 17, 2015 at 1:28 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:

(May 17, 2015 at 12:46 pm)abaris Wrote: Which not even the Roman Catholic church accepts as genuine or miraculous.

St. John Paul II



Pope Benedict XVI

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And yet, as can be easily looked up, the official position is tap dancing around the issue. As opposed to some other relics, which are equally dubious in their origin.

Quote:Or is it the other way around? We never would have heard of Pontius Pilate if it were not for Jesus. Josephus mentions Pilate in connection with Jesus. So does Tacitus.

Idiot.  Philo wrote about Pilate without ever mentioning your phony godboy....of course, Philo died c 50 AD which was long before the jesus bullshit was invented.  Josephus wrote about Pilate bringing images of the emperor into Jerusalem which supposedly upset the jews.  Then he wrote that Pilate built an aqueduct to improve the city water supply and used the temple treasury to do so.  (No doubt that pissed off the priests....even today, priests get really upset when their money is threatened!)  And then, some later forger, probably Eusebius, invented the 3d paragraph because the lack of historical references to the godboy was too much for that fucking phony to take.  And to this day, jackasses like you fall for it!

Plus we have the Pilate inscription and various coins from his administration so, no.  Pilate we would know of.  Your godboy?  Not so much.


And, for the record, even if Tacitus is not a later forgery, he never mentions the word "jesus."

(May 17, 2015 at 1:42 pm)abaris Wrote:

(May 17, 2015 at 1:28 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:
St. John Paul II



Pope Benedict XVI

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And yet, as can be easily looked up, the official position is tap dancing around the issue. As opposed to some other relics, which are equally dubious in their origin.

And this is because the Catholic Church understands that the Shroud cannot be PROVEN to be the burial cloth of Christ. She is prudent in this regard, and if the claims were more, you would be howling against them.

However, as seen above, the Shroud does cause us to reflect upon what happened to Jesus because it appears to parallel the forensic account of Jesus' passion so well.

(May 17, 2015 at 9:51 am)Randy Carson Wrote: Why yes...Peter and many other followers of Jesus did see Him after the crucifixion. 

Of course, they weren't dead at the time, but then neither was He. 

Well, I guess I'm not gullible enough to think that people who can experience hallucinations and then retain the images in memory afterwards were ever brain dead, though I can understand why that might not appear to be a difficulty to someone who thinks Jesus took off like a balloon and floated up into cloudy skies after he was supposedly killed.

Lol @ "forensic account".

(May 17, 2015 at 2:09 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: However, as seen above, the Shroud does cause us to reflect upon what happened to Jesus because it appears to parallel the forensic account of Jesus' passion so well.

And the forensic account would be by the esteemed doctor bible.

Next he'll be claiming that his bullshit bible is more accurate than C14 dating!