Quote:Authorization. If God authorizes the taking of human life it is not a murder, because He holds the right to all life in His hands.

Oh,, fuck you and your god, drippy.  Always the same shit with you.  When you can demonstrate that your god exists then you can claim to know what it wants.  Until then it is just your silly blather.

(May 22, 2015 at 4:26 pm)Drich Wrote:

(April 24, 2015 at 7:56 am)pocaracas Wrote: So we have Moses, bringing "his people" from Egypt to Mt. Sinai where Jehova gives him the ten commandments...

And one of them is simply "you shall not murder", but... but... what did god do with all the plagues he sent down on Egypt, particularly the one with all the firstborns, if not murdering?

What sort of moral authority does such a being have to tell his "children" not to murder when that's exactly what he did a couple of pages back?!

The Command is you shall not Murder.

The difference between killing and murder?

Authorization. If God authorizes the taking of human life it is not a murder, because He holds the right to all life in His hands.

You're seriously out of your mind for believing that because god says to murder someone in a storybook, it must mean that if he asks someone in reality, then it's ok.

Thankfully, murder is illegal, regardless of religion in this country. Christian whack jobs would be claiming god was urging them to murder people who disagree with them every day.

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And you can disregard my last message in the 'biblical prayer contradictions' too. I gave you a little too much respect by assuming you thought the old testament god was bad.

Drippy had better brush up on his holy horseshit.

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Exodus-Chapter-20/

Quote:13 Thou shalt not kill.

Just remember that the First Commandment told the Jews to kill people and take their stuff. And as soon as Moses got the Ten Commandments God was going to go to the camp and slaughter people for making woopie. Moses went down and killed three thousand.

Each "shalt not" commandment has the caveat, "Unless you are me, or I tell you to do it. Then it's totally righteous instead of evil."

Fucking hypocritical dictators.

(April 24, 2015 at 8:06 am)robvalue Wrote: And then he tells Moses to go and kill most of those guys because they had lost interest and started worshipping something else.

God murder is "different".

Indeed.  Haven't you heard?  One set of rules for humans, another for gods.  Quoting from one Star Trek episode "Morals are for men, not gods." (Lt. Mitchell. classic Star Trek, "Where No Man Has Gone Before")

Does it really matter what any "holy book" says about the subject?

The pertinent question each person has to answer for himself is will you willingly and deliberately take the life (kill, murder) another person and, if so, under what circumstances?  And once having committed the deed will you feel remorse about having deprived another human being of his life over some insult that the dead person committed against you?  Will you admit your deed or try to cover it up?  

To paraphrase H.L. Mencken, people think that they are free but they willingly allow themselves to be oppressed and exploited in countless ways when all they have to do is to kill the person who has his foot on their throats.  But they won't because they are afraid of taking the risks to free themselves.

After Moses came down from the mountain he slaughtered three thousand people for making woopie.  And the survivors let him get away with it.  They never tried to kill him for his murderous rampage.  

Jael drove a tent-peg through Sisera's head while he was sleeping.  She had deceived him by offering him hospitality and a place to sleep in her tent.  It was war time and Sisera was the enemy commander.  She took the risk to give her side a real advantage by personally killing the enemy commander by acting as if she was his trustworthy friend.

(May 26, 2015 at 4:19 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Does it really matter what any "holy book" says about the subject?

Inconsistencies in the story sort of grind your gears, you know?
We know the premise of the book is invalid, but one can suspense disbelief while reading it (just like watching a Marvel movie) and then see how it pans out.... but these inconsistencies are a nag.

(May 26, 2015 at 4:19 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: After Moses came down from the mountain he slaughtered three thousand people for making woopie.  And the survivors let him get away with it.  They never tried to kill him for his murderous rampage.  

I'd say that it wasn't Moses alone who slaughtered those thousands.... I'm guessing he had a posse.... and that was composed of those other people who survived and let him get away with it, as they were in on it.

(May 22, 2015 at 6:44 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Authorization. If God authorizes the taking of human life it is not a murder, because He holds the right to all life in His hands.

Oh,, fuck you and your god, drippy.  Always the same shit with you.  When you can demonstrate that your god exists then you can claim to know what it wants.  Until then it is just your silly blather.

It's not on me to bring God to you, but rather on you to go and A/S/K God for yourself.

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(May 22, 2015 at 6:28 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(May 22, 2015 at 4:26 pm)Drich Wrote: The Command is you shall not Murder.

The difference between killing and murder?

Authorization. If God authorizes the taking of human life it is not a murder, because He holds the right to all life in His hands.

In other words, it's okay if God does it, but nobody else.  Moreover he needs no justification for killing someone other than his own authority.  Talk about a license to kill.

Taking life is something only God can Justify/Authorize. So yes when God takes a life He is responsible for it and the hole that life will leave in our society and in time. God knows the effects good bad or indifferent a single life may have. So that would make Him responsible for those who stay and those who go 'early.' For the purpose of keeping Humanity on track for as long as we are supposed to be here.

'We' unless under the authority or condition set fourth by God. we have no idea what impact a given person's death may have. So when we Kill It is not for the 'good' of Humanity. When we kill it is to satasify a blood lust.

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(May 22, 2015 at 7:04 pm)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote:

(May 22, 2015 at 4:26 pm)Drich Wrote: The Command is you shall not Murder.

The difference between killing and murder?

Authorization. If God authorizes the taking of human life it is not a murder, because He holds the right to all life in His hands.

You're seriously out of your mind for believing that because god says to murder someone in a storybook, it must mean that if he asks someone in reality, then it's ok.

Thankfully, murder is illegal, regardless of religion in this country. Christian whack jobs would be claiming god was urging them to murder people who disagree with them every day.

And, Thankfully Killing is not illegal, and every country endorses it under certain conditions... Kinda like I said about God.. But rather than a God who knows everything and can surgically remove a cancerous people from earth, we put the control/authority of life and death in the hands of people who can be influenced by any perversion a given society will allow it's leaders to endulge. (Nazis, Sadam regime, ect) 

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(May 26, 2015 at 4:19 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Does it really matter what any "holy book" says about the subject?

The pertinent question each person has to answer for himself is will you willingly and deliberately take the life (kill, murder) another person and, if so, under what circumstances?  And once having committed the deed will you feel remorse about having deprived another human being of his life over some insult that the dead person committed against you?  Will you admit your deed or try to cover it up?  

To paraphrase H.L. Mencken, people think that they are free but they willingly allow themselves to be oppressed and exploited in countless ways when all they have to do is to kill the person who has his foot on their throats.  But they won't because they are afraid of taking the risks to free themselves.

After Moses came down from the mountain he slaughtered three thousand people for making woopie.  And the survivors let him get away with it.  They never tried to kill him for his murderous rampage.  

Jael drove a tent-peg through Sisera's head while he was sleeping.  She had deceived him by offering him hospitality and a place to sleep in her tent.  It was war time and Sisera was the enemy commander.  She took the risk to give her side a real advantage by personally killing the enemy commander by acting as if she was his trustworthy friend.

Your answers are found in the bible. each instance where God ordered a death, has specific instructions, and a reason given. Those instances were unique to a given set of circumstances concerning one person of a specific group of people.

Quote:It's not on me to bring God to you, but rather on you to go and A/S/K God for yourself.

The two of you will be waiting a long fucking time.  Don't hold your breath.