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RE: Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
June 9, 2015 at 9:35 am
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Quote: It's a circular argument to say, "Jesus probably didn't exist because the texts about him are corrupt and include embellishment; therefore Jesus probably didn't exist."
Whew, good thing thats not the mythicist argument huh...nutcase. No need to repost what's already been discussed, but proponents of christ myth theory are perfectly comfortable saying "there may have been a jesus". Lets see what a mythicist actually does argue.....eh?
"the theory that no historical Jesus worthy of the name existed, that Christianity began with a belief in a spiritual, mythical figure, that the Gospels are essentially allegory and fiction, and that no single identifiable person lay at the root of the Galilean preaching tradition."
Take a crack at that, rather than pitching straw?
Quote:Keep in mind that we have sources about Jesus' life and influence that are not written by his followers
Lets see those, that's all anyone's asked for, the evidence that lead you to the conclusion. Or, if you'd rather, you can sit on your branch and chirp "the consensus, the consensus".
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RE: Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
June 9, 2015 at 9:40 am
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RE: Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
June 9, 2015 at 10:23 am
Holy fucking mother of text walls, what is that monster?!?!
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RE: Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
June 9, 2015 at 10:23 am
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Lots of Tacitus and Josephus. 
(and "the bible says" -of course)
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RE: Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
June 9, 2015 at 10:24 am
Herospeed...might wanna refomat that reply >.>
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RE: Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
June 9, 2015 at 10:34 am
(June 9, 2015 at 10:23 am)Neimenovic Wrote: Holy fucking mother of text walls, what is that monster?!?!
Nothing but the OP without hide tag, no?
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RE: Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
June 9, 2015 at 10:41 am
(June 9, 2015 at 10:34 am)Alex K Wrote: (June 9, 2015 at 10:23 am)Neimenovic Wrote: Holy fucking mother of text walls, what is that monster?!?!
Nothing but the OP without hide tag, no?
Looks like a goddamn sea monster and a half on my phone 
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RE: Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
June 9, 2015 at 11:07 am
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(June 9, 2015 at 10:23 am)Rhythm Wrote: Lots of Tacitus and Josephus.
(and "the bible says" -of course)
Yes Rythym.
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RE: Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
June 9, 2015 at 11:08 am
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(June 9, 2015 at 9:07 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (June 9, 2015 at 8:56 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: Sorry, but I didn't read the 27 pages, but from the article in the OP it seems the basic summary is that JC, as people commonly understand from the bible, is primarily a myth, based on a probable actual person? or am I misunderstanding it?
I believe the conclusion is that there most likely existed some rabbi known as Jesus who claimed to be the messiah, and was crucified. Literally anything other than that is unconfirmable.
Correct.
On the topic of ''anything other'' --- that's where historians really get into heated debates, but generally they agree some dude who claimed to be a messiah got fucked over by the Romans.
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RE: Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
June 9, 2015 at 11:11 am
(June 9, 2015 at 8:45 am)Nestor Wrote: (June 9, 2015 at 1:58 am)Goosebump Wrote: Seems to me , a layman, after reading much of this thread and doing a little wiki searching to fill in the gaps what My take away was this.
Historians are in disagreement. Any testimony of Jesus the man or the myth is suspect and in doubt. There is no consensus. Which sounds a lot like hands in the air and nothing like concrete evidence. Historians disagree as to what particulars we can know about Jesus' life beyond things like his baptism by John and his death by crucifixion under Pilate. The number of historians who disagree that this Jesus really existed is, according to mythicist demigod Richard Carrier, about seven.
Seven
There are thousands of historians. To say that is not a consensus would be tantamount to viewing the number of scientists who are creationists and proclaiming that there is no agreement as to whether or not macroevolution really took place.
Thanks for this.
I wasn't aware of how many historians deny HJ, I knew it was low but didn't have an exact figure.
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