Contradictions? What contradictions? I don't see any. There are no contradictions here.

(June 16, 2015 at 7:19 pm)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote:

Quote: Well if you want to deny the truth of many law enforcement officers go ahead it's your ignorance you're feeding.

Whhaatt!!?

Quote:There are no contradictions

Ya…sure.

Quote:one of the sayings wasn't even the last thing said by Christ on the cross as you claim

What, when he cried out on the cross? Or, what is it then? How about the second last thing he said in John? “I am thirsty”. He’s suffered on the cross for hours, knows when he’s going to die, and asks for a drink, then right after, he dies. Is that put in there for some sort of comedy aspect, or what?

Quote:the other two though worded differently say the same thing.

The way that you have to struggle to interpret (twist the meanings to match what you’re arguing for in a particular situation) many verses of the bible, it doesn’t surprise me that you would say that.

(June 16, 2015 at 5:39 pm)Godschild Wrote: Paul always said He was not speaking for or from himself, He said he was speaking from Christ. Besides what's this thing you're saying mean, "we're talking about Jesus and Paul, Paul's authority comes from Christ. You're not making much sense. 

His authority comes from Christ and he directly contradicts what christ says. Got it.

Quote:None of the accounts give the same number of women going to the tomb, why should they and why would that be important, the writers recorded this as they saw things to be important. This is a ploy atheist use to draw attention away from what was really important, the resurrection of Christ and that was what the writers were writing about, not women. You need to pay attention to the subject at hand and in this case it was the resurrection. I'm sure many women went to the tomb, some just didn't see the necessity of mentioning them all. None of the accounts say that "only one went."

Bingo. I was looking for the problem you couldn't solve by going 'its metaphorical' or stretching the interpretation, and here it is.

So, since we finally arrived at the conclusion there are obviously human mistakes in an allegedly divinely inspired text, why do you think that is?

Why is an omnipotent god incapable of writing a perfect book?

Could it be because it was written by humans, not god?

How about Christians try and ask God to come down and fix the stupid book instead of telling him what he means in it?

What a load of crap. It's a crap book. It wouldn't make it past the first round of proof reading by five year olds without being torn up.

So I was thinking: this is meant to be the God of the whole fricking universe. So you'd think that one single planet could agree on who this God is, assuming there has been any actual contact. But no, the planet cannot agree, there are different religions. And not even the religions can agree, there are thousands of sects within some. And not even the people within each sect can agree, they all get different messages from God.

Not what I'd expect. Either the method of communication is worse than dial up attached to a paper cup, or everyone is imagining things.

(June 17, 2015 at 4:01 am)Neimenovic Wrote:

(June 16, 2015 at 5:39 pm)Godschild Wrote: Paul always said He was not speaking for or from himself, He said he was speaking from Christ. Besides what's this thing you're saying mean, "we're talking about Jesus and Paul, Paul's authority comes from Christ. You're not making much sense. 

Quote:His authority comes from Christ and he directly contradicts what christ says. Got it. 

How am I suppose to get something that's not been proven, you've made the claim and I showed that your claim was wrong. You have not tried to make a stand for your claim, other than a little quip after I've proven you wrong.

Quote:None of the accounts give the same number of women going to the tomb, why should they and why would that be important, the writers recorded this as they saw things to be important. This is a ploy atheist use to draw attention away from what was really important, the resurrection of Christ and that was what the writers were writing about, not women. You need to pay attention to the subject at hand and in this case it was the resurrection. I'm sure many women went to the tomb, some just didn't see the necessity of mentioning them all. None of the accounts say that "only one went."

Quote:Bingo. I was looking for the problem you couldn't solve by going 'its metaphorical' or stretching the interpretation, and here it is.

Bingo that's your argument, not very strong. There was no metaphorical or stretch of the interpretation, it was the way things were written. Many accounts of history ( suppose to be completely factual ) give different accounts of numbers, people involved and places things happened, do we discount the historical event, certainly not, why? Historians knew places by different names, they gave number accounts that was important as they saw them and mentioned only the people they saw as important for the record. I totally understand this is how history is recorded, apparently you will dismiss all of history that has been written this way, due to the claim you make about the ladies who went to the tomb and how it was recorded. In my estimation you are looking for the Bible to be a 100% historically all inclusive recording of history, if this is what you are looking for then you want find it, the Bible was never intended to be a historical record, it's a book of spiritual life for those who accept Christ as their savior. Yes the Bible has many historical accounts in it, but only for the purpose of God's relationship with His people. By your own requirements for the Bible most of ancient history should be tossed.

Quote:So, since we finally arrived at the conclusion there are obviously human mistakes in an allegedly divinely inspired text, why do you think that is? 

You have arrived at a conclusion, a false one at that, dance around all you want you still haven't come up with any evidence for your claims, none, nada. There were no human mistakes made by the original writers and yes it is divinely inspired. The problem is you have a problem understanding what divinely inspired means.

Quote:Why is an omnipotent god incapable of writing a perfect book?

Could it be because it was written by humans, not god?

You're right the Bible was written by the hand and mind of men, you're wrong about God writing the Bible. God inspired the men to write the accounts within the Bible, they wrote what they saw as important and the Holy Spirit made sure they did not misrepresent the accounts and that the truth was written down. Just because you want to see each written account say the exact same thing doesn't mean the accounts are in no way untruthful. As a matter of fact if they had been written that way you would say they were just copies of one writing and actually that's what some say about the gospel accounts just because they are very similar. So you will argue from any position, because you do not want the Bible to be true, it being true would mean you would be in eternal trouble.

GC

(June 17, 2015 at 4:04 am)robvalue Wrote:

Quote:How about Christians try and ask God to come down and fix the stupid book instead of telling him what he means in it?

I can't imagine a statement being more out of tough with sanity than this. Christians do not see the Bible as needing to be fixed, nor do they tell God what it means. We rely on God to open up His word to us. There are some who believe they have heard from God and state things that are not true or make a big deal out of small things, these Christians are acting more like politicians than Christians inspired by God.

In actuality it is the unbelieving who believe the Bible needs to be fix,why, because they do not understand what the Bible is nor have they sought God to reveal it's deeper truths, those truths that can only come to a spiritually understanding heart and mind that lives in a relationship with God. For your information the Bible is a text book given to man to live a spiritual relationship with God, If you or anyone else makes more out of it than this you'll never understand.

Quote:What a load of crap. It's a crap book. It wouldn't make it past the first round of proof reading by five year olds without being torn up.

So you are a five year old who can't comprehend the written word of an omniscient God, we already knew this.

Quote:So I was thinking: this is meant to be the God of the whole fricking universe. So you'd think that one single planet could agree on who this God is, assuming there has been any actual contact. But no, the planet cannot agree, there are different religions. And not even the religions can agree, there are thousands of sects within some. And not even the people within each sect can agree, they all get different messages from God.

 God has given each one the right to decide what they want for there lives, He's asked Christians to let people know what He desires for their lives. He does this without force or even pressure from himself, I know of no one who believes God ever pressured them into choosing Christ. People may have done this to other people and this isn't right, especially in the eyes of God. 

Quote:Not what I'd expect. Either the method of communication is worse than dial up attached to a paper cup, or everyone is imagining things.

Those who have surrendered their lives to God have no need to imagine things, we've been given the proof. It's those who rely on their own understanding who imagine all sorts of things.

GC

(June 17, 2015 at 4:23 pm)Godschild Wrote: You're right the Bible was written by the hand and mind of men, you're wrong about God writing the Bible. God inspired the men to write the accounts within the Bible, they wrote what they saw as important and the Holy Spirit made sure they did not misrepresent the accounts and that the truth was written down. Just because you want to see each written account say the exact same thing doesn't mean the accounts are in no way untruthful. As a matter of fact if they had been written that way you would say they were just copies of one writing and actually that's what some say about the gospel accounts just because they are very similar. So you will argue from any position, because you do not want the Bible to be true, it being true would mean you would be in eternal trouble.

GC

how do you know it's inspired by god then?

he would be capable of writing a perfect book no problem.... But the book he allegedly 'inspired' is indistinguishably human from all others. so how do you know?

(June 17, 2015 at 5:16 pm)Neimenovic Wrote:

(June 17, 2015 at 4:23 pm)Godschild Wrote: You're right the Bible was written by the hand and mind of men, you're wrong about God writing the Bible. God inspired the men to write the accounts within the Bible, they wrote what they saw as important and the Holy Spirit made sure they did not misrepresent the accounts and that the truth was written down. Just because you want to see each written account say the exact same thing doesn't mean the accounts are in no way untruthful. As a matter of fact if they had been written that way you would say they were just copies of one writing and actually that's what some say about the gospel accounts just because they are very similar. So you will argue from any position, because you do not want the Bible to be true, it being true would mean you would be in eternal trouble.

GC

how do you know it's inspired by god then?

he would be capable of writing a perfect book no problem.... But the book he allegedly 'inspired' is  indistinguishably human from all others. so how do you know?

Because the people who wrote the book said so.  Duh!  

(June 17, 2015 at 5:16 pm)Neimenovic Wrote:

(June 17, 2015 at 4:23 pm)Godschild Wrote: You're right the Bible was written by the hand and mind of men, you're wrong about God writing the Bible. God inspired the men to write the accounts within the Bible, they wrote what they saw as important and the Holy Spirit made sure they did not misrepresent the accounts and that the truth was written down. Just because you want to see each written account say the exact same thing doesn't mean the accounts are in no way untruthful. As a matter of fact if they had been written that way you would say they were just copies of one writing and actually that's what some say about the gospel accounts just because they are very similar. So you will argue from any position, because you do not want the Bible to be true, it being true would mean you would be in eternal trouble.

GC

how do you know it's inspired by god then?

he would be capable of writing a perfect book no problem.... But the book he allegedly 'inspired' is  indistinguishably human from all others. so how do you know?

I know because God has revealed the truth of scriptures to me, I've asked Him some very serious question about scripture to the point of questioning why they were written as they are. God has answered at times when I wasn't expecting an answer or had even given up on getting an answer. To put the answers in a nutshell for you, God said, I Am the Truth. Meaning He can only give us the truth when it comes to teaching us with the scriptures.

GC

In other words, more of the 'internal witness of the Holy Spirit' bullshit you guys trot out when you can't provide the goods to a reasonable question.