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RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
June 20, 2015 at 1:58 am
A god can be anything, it's about the least well defined concept ever.
I can think of a natural "God" that is far more fitting of worship, if anything is to be worshipped, than abstract ideas:
The sun.
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RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
June 20, 2015 at 2:25 am
He looks like a well kept spoilt little shit!
you're a good mum!
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RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
June 20, 2015 at 3:27 am
Catholic_Lady Wrote:To believe in God means to believe He is supernatural. He did not need to "come" from anywhere, as He is not bound by the laws of nature. He created all dimensions of time and space. You DO at least see the problem we have with this logic, right?
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RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
June 20, 2015 at 3:31 am
(June 20, 2015 at 3:27 am)Iroscato Wrote: Catholic_Lady Wrote:To believe in God means to believe He is supernatural. He did not need to "come" from anywhere, as He is not bound by the laws of nature. He created all dimensions of time and space. You DO at least see the problem we have with this logic, right?
I mean, I know that you don't believe in it lol. I don't mean to be preaching, just explaining my views as I get asked about them.
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RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
June 20, 2015 at 4:05 am
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Hey, and it's a good thing too...notice that there are fewer of you believing folks around than us. Who else would we ask these questions too...eh?
Still wondering whether or not you're willing to take a stand between fealty and evolution...btw.
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RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
June 20, 2015 at 5:08 am
(June 20, 2015 at 3:31 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (June 20, 2015 at 3:27 am)Iroscato Wrote: You DO at least see the problem we have with this logic, right?
I mean, I know that you don't believe in it lol. I don't mean to be preaching, just explaining my views as I get asked about them.
I understand you're not trying to preach, worry not. That wasn't my point, which is more fundamental - do you at least understand our reaction when you say "The cosmos couldn't have come from nothing, so it must have been made by something...that came from nothing."
The Blind Watchmaker argument has been used many times, and each time it requires special pleading for "god", the most complex and unlikely watch of them all.
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RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
June 20, 2015 at 5:13 am
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All of science has never so far indicated there ever was "nothing". So to be blunt, to state there once was "nothing" is to make a completely unfounded assumption that goes beyond all scientific knowledge. We simply don't know what happened before a certain point.
But even if there was a "cause" then
cause =/= sentient being =/= god =/= any particular god
[ =/= means is not equivalent to ]
That's 3 non sequiturs in a row following an argument from ignorance/incredulity from an unsupported assertion.
Logic is my only friend.
I agree that there isn't 100% scientific proof for god. I would go further, and say that there is 0%. There isn't even a coherent definition that could be tested for.
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RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
June 20, 2015 at 5:15 am
Here's the thing, Cat Lady. You've stated that there is no evidence for your pet god and that it all comes down to faith (and then knock me for having "more faith" in something that actually has physical evidence, but that's by the by). The point I'm aiming for is that you've also made statements which run counter to that, about the (super)nature of this god, its powers and actions. For example, what makes you call it a 'he' and how do you know it created the Universe? Not to mention the question I already asked, by what mechanism is it supposed to have done so?
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RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
June 20, 2015 at 5:22 am
(June 19, 2015 at 11:46 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (June 19, 2015 at 9:24 pm)IATIA Wrote: I do not recall anyone stating or claiming that anything came from nothing, except perhaps some theists.
How would you explain it?
It just is. No reason, no creation, no design. Basically the same as your god, but without the baggage.
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RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
June 20, 2015 at 9:16 am
(June 20, 2015 at 5:15 am)Stimbo Wrote: Here's the thing, Cat Lady. You've stated that there is no evidence for your pet god and that it all comes down to faith (and then knock me for having "more faith" in something that actually has physical evidence, but that's by the by). The point I'm aiming for is that you've also made statements which run counter to that, about the (super)nature of this god, its powers and actions. For example, what makes you call it a 'he' and how do you know it created the Universe? Not to mention the question I already asked, by what mechanism is it supposed to have done so?
In fairness to CL, she's already admitted to believing and having faith without needing solid scientific evidence.
And we all persist in asking her for scientific evidence?
Everyone sit back, take a deep breath, and stop fucking persecuting the Christian! 
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