(June 26, 2015 at 4:45 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(June 26, 2015 at 2:23 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: That is because you are not an expert theologian.

Fuck theology.

Quote:“What has theology ever said that is of the smallest use to anybody? When has theology ever said anything that is demonstrably true and is not obvious? I have listened to theologians, read them, debated against them. I have never heard any of them ever say anything of the smallest use, anything that was not either platitudinously obvious or downright false. If all the achievements of scientists were wiped out tomorrow, there would be no doctors but witch doctors, no transport faster than horses, no computers, no printed books, no agriculture beyond subsistence peasant farming. If all the achievements of theologians were wiped out tomorrow, would anyone notice the smallest difference? Even the bad achievements of scientists, the bombs, and sonar-guided whaling vessels work! The achievements of theologians don’t do anything, don’t affect anything, don’t mean anything. What makes anyone think that ‘theology’ is a subject at all?


-Richard Dawkins

Are you serious?  Think a bit about my posts generally, and if you need to, take a look at the bits of info by my name.  If that is not enough, take some time reading my old posts.

Maybe this will help.  Religion is nothing but primitive superstitious nonsense that is holding back civilization.  You may quote me on that if you like.

It's not about you.  It's about theology.

Fuck theology.

(June 26, 2015 at 12:45 pm)Nestor Wrote:

(June 26, 2015 at 11:37 am)Pyrrho Wrote: Correct.  But he did not think the historical Jesus mattered.  At least, that is what he wrote.

He didn't think the historical Jesus was relevant to modern Christian theology. And I would agree. Which is why, Rob, the attempts of mythicists to paint any historical quest as propagandistic, wishful, and religious in nature is desperate, dishonest, and irrational, to say nothing of politeness.

If one dismisses the magical claims, then in what way is the existence of a shabby, itinerant preacher in any way important?

(June 26, 2015 at 2:23 pm)Pyrrho Wrote:

(June 26, 2015 at 1:06 pm)robvalue Wrote: Err... OK.

So, he thinks the historical Jesus isn't important? That's difficult to get my head around. ...

That is because you are not an expert theologian.

"Expert theologian" 

Theology is an empty subject, devoid of facts.  It is a subject for incompetent philosopher wannabes.

(June 27, 2015 at 2:32 am)Chas Wrote: If one dismisses the magical claims, then in what way is the existence of a shabby, itinerant preacher in any way important?

If you take the shabby, itinerant preacher out of the equation, the whole house of cards is coming down. There's virtually nothing left after that.

(June 27, 2015 at 3:47 am)abaris Wrote:

(June 27, 2015 at 2:32 am)Chas Wrote: If one dismisses the magical claims, then in what way is the existence of a shabby, itinerant preacher in any way important?

If you take the shabby, itinerant preacher out of the equation, the whole house of cards is coming down. There's virtually nothing left after that.

But without the magic claims, there is already nothing left.

(June 27, 2015 at 4:21 am)Chas Wrote: But without the magic claims, there is already nothing left.

But the body in question is at the root. If there was never a person, everything else is null and void right from the beginning. The magic claims are useless without a body.

I think mythers, HJers and everyone inbetween should all get along and just agree that religion is bullshit. No need for infighting about the exact level of fiction used in the bible