(July 4, 2015 at 9:08 pm)Chad32 Wrote:

(July 4, 2015 at 1:35 pm)Rekeisha Wrote: So are you saying that there are no basic morals?

The definition of science is the knowledge about or study of the natural world based on facts learned through experiments and observation. Therefore any discussion of God goes beyond the realm of science.

I try not to base reality from fiction

People were meant to praise and worship. You may not worship God but you worship something. People are made to breath air we can get in the water but we will die if we try to breath it. As with God when we worship anything else we die because we were made to worship Him. That is how we work.

Who do you propose would be better to govern people than God?

There are basic rules for getting along with a group. Rules that practically every group has in order to function.

Yes, science is the study of the natural universe. Which is everything we've found any evidence of. Science is the best method of finding out how the universe works. There is no way to test the existence of supernatural forces. We have never found out how something works, and discovered that it's by anything other than natural forces.

You seem to base your reality on untestable things. If it can't be tested, it may as well be fictional.

We can study water and air, and know why we need it. We can't study gods, so we can't say anything conclusive about what they are, what they want, or what we're supposed to do about it.

People worthy of leadership are those that have the best interests of the population at heart. Someone who works as a public servant. Not a ruler. The president of my country is not meant to be someone we unquestionably obey. He is supposed to work for us. We, as a whole, are his boss. He should be working to keep us happy, healthy, and wealthy. Not use us to make him richer. that is what we need in a leader. Not a lord and master who we have to please on pain of death.

Sorry that I didn't respond yesterday I didn't see this.

So are emotions, a person's character, thoughts, understanding, and ideas not real? Science can only study the brain but it can not physically grab hold of these things and study them. Are quarks real? No one has seen them.

I have said you can look at the bible but you have refused so the only reason it is untestable is because you will not test it.

You can't physically study me at my computer right now the only way you can know what I am thinking or what I would like is by reading my written words. God wrote His words down in a book and not just that if you submit to Him and repent form your sins you could even get to know what he is like because you have Him all wrong.

What if what the people think will make them healthy, wealthy and happy will no actually do that but the president. Then he proceeds to put that in action do you think the people will see him as a good leader?

(July 5, 2015 at 2:11 pm)IATIA Wrote:

(July 5, 2015 at 12:12 pm)Rekeisha Wrote: Why do you ask?

Various documentaries have shown a basic set of morals in the ape family.  Does this mean your god gave morals to the apes?

Yes, God made all the animals and their instincts.

(July 4, 2015 at 2:34 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: (Speaking for myself, not Chad)

(July 4, 2015 at 1:35 pm)Rekeisha Wrote: So are you saying that there are no basic morals?

Objective morals don't exist, if that's what you're asking.

Quote:The definition of science is the knowledge about or study of the natural world based on facts learned through experiments and observation. Therefore any discussion of God goes beyond the realm of science.

I try not to base reality from fiction

Well, isn't that convenient?

Quote:People were meant to praise and worship.

Assertion; cite your sources.

Quote:You may not worship God but you worship something.

BALD assertion. Please don't tell people what they believe.

Quote:People are made to breath air we can get in the water but we will die if we try to breath it. As with God when we worship anything else we die because we were made to worship Him. That is how we work.

Assertion; cite your sources.

Quote:Who do you propose would be better to govern people than God?

First: who is God? What god? The god of which religion? And why should I believe your answer? Second: seems to me, anyone would be better to govern than God (whatever that is) since it doesn't even make itself known to its believers, let alone the people who don't have any reason to believe it exists.

So you don't believe there is a right and wrong?
No it isn't convenient for me but this isn't about me.
What is your number 1 priority?
Romans 1:18-32
The one true God who made the universe as spoken of in the Bible. You should believe in Him because it is the only coherent reason for you existence. 
You don't know God so how can you make this claim? Also God has made Himself know to me. I was talking to Him just a moment ago.

(July 6, 2015 at 11:21 am)Rekeisha Wrote: Also God has made Himself know to me. I was talking to Him just a moment ago.

You should seek help. That could progress into something worse.

(July 6, 2015 at 11:21 am)Rekeisha Wrote: So you don't believe there is a right and wrong?

No one has said there is no right or wrong, only that it is a subjective determination made by the society, culture or individual at the time. We could come up with thousands of examples that would show differing opinions, even among the theists who are "divinely inspired" to know right from wrong.

(July 6, 2015 at 11:21 am)Rekeisha Wrote: The one true God who made the universe as spoken of in the Bible.

Interesting. Can you offer up any sort of scientific proof that one god (or any god for that matter) made the universe?

Quote:You should believe in Him because it is the only coherent reason for you existence.

Horsehockey. I'll believe what science shows as true. I'll believe in him when there is clear-cut evidence in support of his existence. Show documented, scientific proof that the only reason for anyone's existence is because of some imaginary sky daddy.
 

Quote:You don't know God so how can you make this claim?

Do you have any proof, outside of any biblical references, that you DO know god? Say, a video recording of you and him chatting it up?

Quote:Also God has made Himself know to me. I was talking to Him just a moment ago.

Audio recording or it didn't happen.

(July 6, 2015 at 11:11 am)Rekeisha Wrote:

(July 4, 2015 at 9:08 pm)Chad32 Wrote: There are basic rules for getting along with a group. Rules that practically every group has in order to function.

Yes, science is the study of the natural universe. Which is everything we've found any evidence of. Science is the best method of finding out how the universe works. There is no way to test the existence of supernatural forces. We have never found out how something works, and discovered that it's by anything other than natural forces.

You seem to base your reality on untestable things. If it can't be tested, it may as well be fictional.

We can study water and air, and know why we need it. We can't study gods, so we can't say anything conclusive about what they are, what they want, or what we're supposed to do about it.

People worthy of leadership are those that have the best interests of the population at heart. Someone who works as a public servant. Not a ruler. The president of my country is not meant to be someone we unquestionably obey. He is supposed to work for us. We, as a whole, are his boss. He should be working to keep us happy, healthy, and wealthy. Not use us to make him richer. that is what we need in a leader. Not a lord and master who we have to please on pain of death.

Sorry that I didn't respond yesterday I didn't see this.

So are emotions, a person's character, thoughts, understanding, and ideas not real? Science can only study the brain but it can not physically grab hold of these things and study them. Are quarks real? No one has seen them.

I have said you can look at the bible but you have refused so the only reason it is untestable is because you will not test it.

You can't physically study me at my computer right now the only way you can know what I am thinking or what I would like is by reading my written words. God wrote His words down in a book and not just that if you submit to Him and repent form your sins you could even get to know what he is like because you have Him all wrong.

What if what the people think will make them healthy, wealthy and happy will no actually do that but the president. Then he proceeds to put that in action do you think the people will see him as a good leader?

There is the study of psychology, neuroscience, and other things that have to do with the mind. We can detect electrical impulses in the brain, understand why we feel many emotions, and see their effects. These things can be studied because we have physical brains to study.  We don't have a god on hand to study, any more than we have a leprechaun. As far as quarks go, they are conencted to hadrons which can be tested.

Test the bible? Ok. Can a body of water come together in space, with no apparent means to keep it in liquid form? No. Is the moon a source of light? No. Was grass and fruit bearing plants the first forms of plant-life? No. Can two individuals created a thriving and healthy species? No. There are things we know about how stars and planets form that don't fit with the way the bible describes the origin of the world and creatures within. The best explanation you have is magic, which can't be tested.

No, I can't study you from here. We could, however, meet up at a lab sometime and probably learn more things about our bodies and ourselves than we ever knew. The great thing about science is that anyone with the proper education and resources can double check anything a scientist says. That's why education is so important. I spent twenty years submitting myself to Jesus. They were fun years, but eventually i grew into my own person like most adults do. Someone with an idea of justice that doesn't mesh with the idea of scapegoating innocent people for my own actions. Or punishing people infinitely for finite crimes.

I'm not sure I understand that last part. "What if what people think will make them healthy, wealthy, and happy will no(t) actually do that but the president." Are you trying to say if there's just one person who knows how to make everyone happy, healthy, and wealthy? There isn't. That's what councils of representatives are for. The closer you get to one person, or a small group, having all the power, the more corrupt the society gets.

If anyone actually hears distinct voices in their head, or thinks God is visibly standing before them, I would advise them to seek professional help. Seriously. This isn't an insult, it's concern. It's disgusting that religion actually encourages people to cherish things like this that can be warning signs of very serious problems.

(July 6, 2015 at 10:28 am)Rekeisha Wrote:

Quote:Here, Rekie Rekie Rekie.....show me your evidence pretty pls

Go look back to the previous post

No evidence there. Anything, say, tangible? you know, substantial?
like, real?

(July 6, 2015 at 11:21 am)Rekeisha Wrote:

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(July 4, 2015 at 2:34 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: (Speaking for myself, not Chad)


Objective morals don't exist, if that's what you're asking.


Well, isn't that convenient?


Assertion; cite your sources.


BALD assertion. Please don't tell people what they believe.


Assertion; cite your sources.


First: who is God? What god? The god of which religion? And why should I believe your answer? Second: seems to me, anyone would be better to govern than God (whatever that is) since it doesn't even make itself known to its believers, let alone the people who don't have any reason to believe it exists.

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Quote:So you don't believe there is a right and wrong?
No it isn't convenient for me but this isn't about me.
What is your number 1 priority?
Romans 1:18-32
The one true God who made the universe as spoken of in the Bible. You should believe in Him because it is the only coherent reason for you existence. 
You don't know God so how can you make this claim? Also God has made Himself know to me. I was talking to Him just a moment ago.

All of the ancient goat ropers got a prophet gig out of yakking with the God character.  You need to step up your game and write a book about your conversations with the invisible sky guy.  What kind of revelations has he given to you?   Have you gotten any new commandments?  Does God still want all of the fat?