(July 13, 2015 at 9:18 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:

(July 13, 2015 at 9:06 am)whateverist Wrote: Well way to make me feel like a horse's ass.  But back at you.

I know, right?! This woman is like the anti-Randy. She's polite and positive pretty much no matter what, and she will invariably listen to what others have to say. Religious people can be genuinely decent, and some of them even seem to have a knack for being nice in situations where other people just aren't. It's nice to be reminded of that every once in a while.

Indeed! Most theists that come through here could learn an awful lot from her about decency and respect.

(July 13, 2015 at 9:21 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(July 13, 2015 at 9:02 am)whateverist Wrote: I sure do.  I hear butt building is practically the national sport.

Almost... Miss Bum Bum - wiki page

Candidates to Miss Bum Bum

Well that was five minutes and a couple thousand babies I'll never get back.

(July 10, 2015 at 9:24 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(July 10, 2015 at 9:16 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: So, what about mutual masturbation for the viewing pleasure of the other? Is that out as well? After all, it's still something that's "self giving," as you put it.

No, that is moral.

It is being used in the context of self giving love between husband and wife to "set the mood" and make it a more enjoyable experience. Nothing wrong with that.

That is normal but regular masturbation is not? What about animals that masturbate? Is that immoral or not normal? Masturbation is ubiquitus in the animal kingdom, and most definitely among primates

(July 13, 2015 at 9:26 am)QuarkDriven Wrote:

(July 10, 2015 at 9:24 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: No, that is moral.

It is being used in the context of self giving love between husband and wife to "set the mood" and make it a more enjoyable experience. Nothing wrong with that.

That is normal but regular masturbation is not? What about animals that masturbate? Is that immoral or not normal? Masturbation is ubiquitus in the animal kingdom, and most definitely among primates

Thank gawd for opposable thumbs.

(July 13, 2015 at 9:25 am)whateverist Wrote:

(July 13, 2015 at 9:21 am)pocaracas Wrote: Almost... Miss Bum Bum - wiki page

Candidates to Miss Bum Bum

Well that was five minutes and a couple thousand babies I'll never get back.

Millions. That's hundreds of millions of babies, you depraved sodomite.

And also at least one kitten.

Well I didn't want to brag.

(July 13, 2015 at 9:27 am)whateverist Wrote: Thank gawd for opposable thumbs.

LMAO!!! I think we'd still find a way....

We sure would! I mean, I used to...

Wait, you don't want to hear about that.

Any man who says he never does it is... probably lying They may however feel absolutely guilt ridden because of it, such are the horrors of religion.

(July 13, 2015 at 8:41 am)robvalue Wrote: I'm not sure if I'm off the hook with my vasectomy.

The only thing I regret about it is not having it done sooner. You'd have to kidnap me to get it reversed.

So I wonder if I'm collecting black marks? Not that it matters, god would have run out of paper with me long ago for things which hurt no one at all but apparently displease him.

As Catholics, we believe that each person is judged individually. Just because you had a vasectomy, for example, doesn't automatically pin you as a person with a black mark. You are not Catholic, and you did not know about (and do not believe anyway) about these teachings on vasectomy.

A much higher standard is placed on those who actually know/believe, but choose to do it anyway. (of course, if this is an extreme situation, like a man's wife will die if she get's pregnant again and he feels he must do it to avoid killing her, that is also taken into account and will greatly decrease, if not completely eliminate, his culpability.)

Point is, we don't believe God paints with a broad brush on judgement day, but rather considers each individual's unique situation and what was in their hearts at the time.

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(July 13, 2015 at 9:06 am)whateverist Wrote:

(July 12, 2015 at 1:12 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I respect your views and appreciate your insight, my friend. :

Well way to make me feel like a horse's ass.  But back at you.

Didn't mean to make you feel that way. You are trying to help and you mean well. I just wanted you to know I appreciate that.

And thanks!

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(July 13, 2015 at 9:18 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:

(July 13, 2015 at 9:06 am)whateverist Wrote: Well way to make me feel like a horse's ass.  But back at you.

I know, right?! This woman is like the anti-Randy. She's polite and positive pretty much no matter what, and she will invariably listen to what others have to say. Religious people can be genuinely decent, and some of them even seem to have a knack for being nice in situations where other people just aren't. It's nice to be reminded of that every once in a while.

While I disagree with your assertions of Randy, lol, I do appreciate the compliments.

I think most people of my faith are like this. I'm nothing special. The reason you never hear much from us is because we are not the type of people to start talking to atheists about our faith unprovoked (obviously lol). And of course, naturally most of us are not the type of people who go around seeking discussions with atheists on internet forums lol.

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(July 13, 2015 at 9:26 am)QuarkDriven Wrote:

(July 10, 2015 at 9:24 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: No, that is moral.

It is being used in the context of self giving love between husband and wife to "set the mood" and make it a more enjoyable experience. Nothing wrong with that.

 

That is normal but regular masturbation is not? What about animals that masturbate? Is that immoral or not normal? Masturbation is ubiquitus in the animal kingdom, and most definitely among primates

I don't know what you mean by normal, but if you are meaning to ask if we believe "regular" is immoral and touching oneself during foreplay to sex with your spouse is moral, the answer would be yes. In previous pages I explain how we believe sexuality is to be used in the sacred context of marital intercourse. Whatever type of foreplay is in that context, assuming its consensual and done for each other's best interest, is moral.

There is no such thing as animals acting morally vs immorally. They're animals.

(July 13, 2015 at 10:21 am)robvalue Wrote: Any man who says he never does it is... probably lying

Probably. On the other hand, CF doesn't look like a girl who ever needed to masturbate. With these sexy thighs I'm sure she never had to resort to self-satisfaction.
As for me, I never said I didn't. In fact, I'm quite sure all men practice it, altough some of them may deny.

I only do it when the constant boner mode becomes unbearable. This usually happens when I'm at the sea beach in the summer with so many undressed hot men and women wandering around me.