There is always a good amount of truthiness in his funny.

(July 14, 2015 at 10:44 am)Rhythm Wrote: Never, and always.

Precisely . . . more or less.

(July 14, 2015 at 10:14 am)Rhythm Wrote: Oh, you know me, it's just my fallen nature speaking.  That's why I'm so snarky, has something to do with apples, and nothing to do with your -entirely- unintentional irony.  

We can both accept, I would hope, that your religion makes implications and statements regarding the reasons that I, for example, might do something......that are completely divorced from the reasons that I would give you.  Further, that you, personally, hold such opinions (as do I about your church, you, and any other tom dick or harry) as well.

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This is not true.

My religion is about faith, morals, and traditions. It is not about trying to decipher and make claims regarding people's motives for doing things. That's what they do in psychology departments, not Catholic mass lol.

I appreciate your humor and lighter take on things, btw. I never realized you were just being funny, but now that I know, I'm kinda liking it.

Quote:My religion is about faith, morals, and traditions. It is not about trying to decipher and make claims regarding people's motives for doing things. That's what they do in psychology departments, not Catholic mass lol.

You don't think so, eh?  

Why, then, is there evil in the world?  More particularly, why do we make evil decisions? Does your religion -not- offer us the ultimate motive, the causative agent for all subsequent evil decisions? Do you not believe in this portion of your religion? Sure, sure, there's no deciphering, because it's already been decided and written down in a book.

(July 14, 2015 at 10:58 am)Rhythm Wrote:

Quote:My religion is about faith, morals, and traditions. It is not about trying to decipher and make claims regarding people's motives for doing things. That's what they do in psychology departments, not Catholic mass lol.

You don't think so, eh?  

Why, then, is there evil in the world?  More particularly, why do we make evil decisions?  Does your religion -not- offer us the ultimate motive, the causative agent for all subsequent evil decisions?  Do you not believe in this portion of your religion?

Here are my views, numbered for your convenience:

1. Because people have free will and can choose to act in evil ways if they so wish.

2. I'm sure for different reasons, depending on the person.

3. Well, if you put it that way, the "causative agent" for evilness (actual evilness, as opposed to someone having the best intentions but doing something wrong) comes down to greed. But why people chose to act greedly, we cannot say, and since we can't look into a person's heart, we don't know whether they actually were being evil, or whether they just don't understand, or believe differently, etc.

4. Yes. But I don't see what I describe above as the same thing as someone saying "I did this because of this" and me responding back with "no, you did this because of this other thing." Lol. If someone tells me they did something for a particular reason, I have to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are telling the truth unless I have substantial evidence otherwise.

^ toxocariasis.

nuff said

(July 14, 2015 at 9:41 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(July 14, 2015 at 5:30 am)Neimenovic Wrote: ...... they do it cos they think it gets them brownie points with their sky daddy. self interest, no shits given.

Vic, you know I love ya, but with all respect, this is exactly what Whateverist was talking about.

Who are we to tell someone else "No, you're not doing it for the reason you say. You're actually doing it for this other reason."

Just some food for thought.

Read the first part of my post. They can't say they care about me.

Quote:I respect the right to choose, but we're here hoping you choose our side.

I started out on your side....I defected to the cause of reason.

(July 14, 2015 at 6:48 pm)Neimenovic Wrote:

(July 14, 2015 at 9:41 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Vic, you know I love ya, but with all respect, this is exactly what Whateverist was talking about.

Who are we to tell someone else "No, you're not doing it for the reason you say. You're actually doing it for this other reason."

Just some food for thought.

Read the first part of my post. They can't say they care about me.

I understand and sympathize. But the particular people who did wrong by you are just a small fraction of the billions of Christians out there. We're not all like them.  

(July 14, 2015 at 7:20 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(July 14, 2015 at 6:48 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Read the first part of my post. They can't say they care about me.

I understand and sympathize. But the particular people who did wrong by you are just a small fraction of the billions of Christians out there. We're not all like them.  

Sure. But I won't take 'because I care about you' as a reason for street preaching.