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RE: Why Christians can't respect other's opinion?
July 14, 2015 at 7:23 pm
(July 14, 2015 at 7:20 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (July 14, 2015 at 6:48 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Read the first part of my post. They can't say they care about me.
I understand and sympathize. But the particular people who did wrong by you are just a small fraction of the billions of Christians out there. We're not all like them. 
No, but the Christian institutions are clearly not more morally reliable, on average, than secular ones. If you want to argue "people are people and there are bad people in any group," then what, exactly, is the value of either the Christian religion or the Christian institution?
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RE: Why Christians can't respect other's opinion?
July 14, 2015 at 7:24 pm
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Quote:Yes. But I don't see what I describe above as the same thing as someone saying "I did this because of this" and me responding back with "no, you did this because of this other thing." Lol. If someone tells me they did something for a particular reason, I have to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are telling the truth unless I have substantial evidence otherwise.
Sure you would, you wouldn't think that your religion explained their "sinful" behavior at all........lol. You would almost certainly grant their contradictory explanation primacy over your own firmly held religious beliefs.......... 
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RE: Why Christians can't respect other's opinion?
July 14, 2015 at 7:27 pm
(July 14, 2015 at 7:22 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: (July 14, 2015 at 7:20 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I understand and sympathize. But the particular people who did wrong by you are just a small fraction of the billions of Christians out there. We're not all like them.
Sure. But I won't take 'because I care about you' as a reason for street preaching.
Perhaps it is the real reason, perhaps it isn't.
But since we can't read their minds or look into their hearts, the charitable thing to do would be to take them for their word and assume the best. Doesn't mean we have to believe what they are preaching, it just means we give people the benefit of the doubt when we have no proof to the contrary.
Just MHO. 
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RE: Why Christians can't respect other's opinion?
July 14, 2015 at 7:34 pm
(July 14, 2015 at 7:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (July 14, 2015 at 7:22 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Sure. But I won't take 'because I care about you' as a reason for street preaching.
Perhaps it is the real reason, perhaps it isn't.
But since we can't read their minds or look into their hearts, the charitable thing to do would be to take them for their word and assume the best. Doesn't mean we have to believe what they are preaching, it just means we give people the benefit of the doubt when we have no proof to the contrary.
Just MHO.
That's not what I'm saying. If they actually cared about me, my wild guess would be they wouldn't do something that gives me anxiety attacks. They don't know me, and ergo have a limited capacity to give a shit about me.
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RE: Why Christians can't respect other's opinion?
July 14, 2015 at 8:51 pm
(July 14, 2015 at 7:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (July 14, 2015 at 7:22 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Sure. But I won't take 'because I care about you' as a reason for street preaching.
Perhaps it is the real reason, perhaps it isn't.
But since we can't read their minds or look into their hearts, the charitable thing to do would be to take them for their word and assume the best. Doesn't mean we have to believe what they are preaching, it just means we give people the benefit of the doubt when we have no proof to the contrary.
Just MHO.
You know if christians really cared but won't leave atheists alone need to remind themselves this..
The bible tells you to fuck off if the person or person in question doesn't want to hear anything about god and or jesus.
There is a bible passage but i forgot what it was.
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RE: Why Christians can't respect other's opinion?
July 14, 2015 at 9:28 pm
(July 14, 2015 at 7:34 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: (July 14, 2015 at 7:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Perhaps it is the real reason, perhaps it isn't.
But since we can't read their minds or look into their hearts, the charitable thing to do would be to take them for their word and assume the best. Doesn't mean we have to believe what they are preaching, it just means we give people the benefit of the doubt when we have no proof to the contrary.
Just MHO.
That's not what I'm saying. If they actually cared about me, my wild guess would be they wouldn't do something that gives me anxiety attacks. They don't know me, and ergo have a limited capacity to give a shit about me.
Perhaps they don't realize that preaching on the street when you're around gives you anxiety attack?
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RE: Why Christians can't respect other's opinion?
July 14, 2015 at 9:29 pm
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That would be an example of their limited capacity to give a shit.............
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RE: Why Christians can't respect other's opinion?
July 14, 2015 at 9:32 pm
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(July 14, 2015 at 8:51 pm)dyresand Wrote: (July 14, 2015 at 7:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Perhaps it is the real reason, perhaps it isn't.
But since we can't read their minds or look into their hearts, the charitable thing to do would be to take them for their word and assume the best. Doesn't mean we have to believe what they are preaching, it just means we give people the benefit of the doubt when we have no proof to the contrary.
Just MHO.
You know if christians really cared but won't leave atheists alone need to remind themselves this..
The bible tells you to fuck off if the person or person in question doesn't want to hear anything about god and or jesus.
There is a bible passage but i forgot what it was.
Sure, but maybe they think that since Jusus's apostles did street preaching, it's ok for them to do it too.
Anway, wouldn't you agree that when you don't have proof in regards to a person's motives you should give them the benefit of the doubt rather than assume the worst?
(July 14, 2015 at 9:29 pm)Rhythm Wrote: That would be an example of their limited capacity to give a shit.............
I don't preach on the street, but I had never heard of anyone having anxiety attacks from it until Vic told me just now. It is completely possible that they just don't realize it. People can have good intentions while not knowing they are causing harm.
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RE: Why Christians can't respect other's opinion?
July 14, 2015 at 11:07 pm
(July 14, 2015 at 9:32 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (July 14, 2015 at 8:51 pm)dyresand Wrote: You know if christians really cared but won't leave atheists alone need to remind themselves this..
The bible tells you to fuck off if the person or person in question doesn't want to hear anything about god and or jesus.
There is a bible passage but i forgot what it was.
Sure, but maybe they think that since Jusus's apostles did street preaching, it's ok for them to do it too.
Anway, wouldn't you agree that when you don't have proof in regards to a person's motives you should give them the benefit of the doubt rather than assume the worst?
I do understand that preachers and stuff have good motives but as it stands in this day and age in the first world no one really
cares about the bible anymore and religion in general and the statistics shows it. Older generations are being affected as well to the
change that being said even the younger ones as well are leaning away from religion.
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RE: Why Christians can't respect other's opinion?
July 15, 2015 at 12:25 am
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I wonder how well an atheist preacher on the street would be received by most theists?
Honest wonderment. It would be very interesting, but not something I'd ever do.
I remember hearing somewhere about a "counter" to street preachers. Stand a little bit away from them, and say the same kind of thing they say, but keep referencing an umbrella or a brick you are holding out instead of the bible.
"Worship the brick or you will be punished, because the brick says so. It's not me threatening or judging you, it's the umbrella. Which is also the brick."
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