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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
July 20, 2015 at 4:21 pm
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Reality is the state or quality of being real; actual being or existence of anything, in distinction from mere appearance; fact.
Truth is that which is true or certain concerning any matter or subject, or generally on all subjects; real state of things; fact; verity; reality.
Now i am not surprised you say you don't know truth or what is real because you deny the very being that has made reality. God is the truth and when you submit to him you can begin to account for reality and truth but with out him your thinking becomes absurd.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
July 20, 2015 at 5:34 pm
Prove to me that you are not a 'brain-in-a-vat'.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
July 21, 2015 at 7:41 am
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"Reality is being real, truth is what is true." LOL......I can define incompetence for you..if you'd like, but you seem to have a solid grasp on it -as is-.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
July 21, 2015 at 8:33 am
(July 20, 2015 at 5:34 pm)IATIA Wrote: Prove to me that you are not a 'brain-in-a-vat'.
You are proof I am not a brain in a vat.
So in other words you know nothing?
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
July 21, 2015 at 8:36 am
(July 21, 2015 at 7:41 am)Rhythm Wrote: "Reality is being real, truth is what is true." LOL......I can define incompetence for you..if you'd like, but you seem to have a solid grasp on it -as is-.
Reality is what exist
Truth is a fact about reality
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
July 22, 2015 at 8:05 am
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(July 21, 2015 at 8:33 am)Rekeisha Wrote: (July 20, 2015 at 5:34 pm)IATIA Wrote: Prove to me that you are not a 'brain-in-a-vat'.
You are proof I am not a brain in a vat.
So in other words you know nothing?
That is not proof. How do you even know I am real? Technically we are just 'brains-in-a-vat'. Everything you perceive is in your head and nothing outside your mind may be as you perceive it. In fact, there may be nothing. It is impossible to prove otherwise.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
July 22, 2015 at 9:09 am
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Indeed. We never experience the world, if there is one. We only have what our brain's interpretation of the supposed world is. If it was replaced by a fake feed which was just as convincing, how could we tell the difference?
See, to me, you could be a figment of my delusion, trying to persuade me that you are real, because I know I am real. All I "know" is that something seems to be experiencing something. I can say no more than that.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
July 22, 2015 at 12:22 pm
(July 22, 2015 at 8:05 am)IATIA Wrote: (July 21, 2015 at 8:33 am)Rekeisha Wrote: You are proof I am not a brain in a vat.
So in other words you know nothing?
That is not proof. How do you even know I am real? Technically we are just 'brains-in-a-vat'. Everything you perceive is in your head and nothing outside your mind may be as you perceive it. In fact, there may be nothing. It is impossible to prove otherwise.
If you are my imagination trust in the Jesus Christ as your Lord and saviour because that is how my world works. If you are not my imagination trust in Jesus as your Lord and saviour because you are supressing the knowledge of God. The fact that I am having a debate with you about weither you are real or not shows that your thinking has become darkened and your world view leads you to non-reality because it did start in reality.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
July 22, 2015 at 12:45 pm
(July 22, 2015 at 9:09 am)robvalue Wrote: Indeed. We never experience the world, if there is one. We only have what our brain's interpretation of the supposed world is. If it was replaced by a fake feed which was just as convincing, how could we tell the difference?
See, to me, you could be a figment of my delusion, trying to persuade me that you are real, because I know I am real. All I "know" is that something seems to be experiencing something. I can say no more than that.
Then do a Neo and make me go away. Recreate your reality!
You have made a truth claim in your above statment then you contradict your-self and say that all you know is that something seems to be experiencing something.
When you reject God you can't even trust the fact that you are real and that you have worth. Your world view is broken. You would be upset if someone disrespects you or the things you love, but then you will say that none of it is real. My world view give worth meaning and purpose to every person. The only way you could truly have any real argument against my stance is if you borrow from my world view because you have given up all knowledge at this point.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
July 22, 2015 at 12:55 pm
(July 22, 2015 at 12:45 pm)Rekeisha Wrote: When you reject God you can't even trust the fact that you are real and that you have worth. Your world view is broken. You would be upset if someone disrespects you or the things you love, but then you will say that none of it is real. My world view give worth meaning and purpose to every person. The only way you could truly have any real argument against my stance is if you borrow from my world view because you have given up all knowledge at this point.
Even if you're right about not having meaning without god (you're not, but, just assuming), that's still not an argument. It's the tu quoque fallacy.
How will we know, when the morning comes, we are still human? - 2D
Don't worry, my friend. If this be the end, then so shall it be.
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