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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
August 3, 2015 at 11:23 am
(August 3, 2015 at 4:06 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: (August 2, 2015 at 1:04 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: Two things. First, Friday night to Sunday morning is barely more than one day, not three days. Christians seem mathematically challenged.
Second, there is little reason to believe (even if one takes the Bible seriously) that Jesus descended into hell. Here are a couple of articles that deal with this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrowing_of_Hell
http://www.compellingtruth.org/did-Jesus...-hell.html
The long and the short of it is that Christians disagree with each other on this point.
Sorry, but your two links are pure BS. Acts 2:29-36 clearly states that the Jesus Christ character's soul went to hell.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...RV;KJV;CEV
No, it does not. It says that he was not left in Hades. Some interpret that to mean that he was there, but it does not actually say that.
I did not leave my keys in the store yesterday. That being true does not mean that I went to the store yesterday at all.
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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
August 3, 2015 at 11:27 am
(August 2, 2015 at 11:06 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: (August 2, 2015 at 10:53 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Yes, but those two things are impossible.
So are walking on water, raising others from the dead, feeding hundreds from enough food for a few, coming back from the dead in the first place, global floods, fitting millions of species on a little boat/creating all of today's species from a handful of "kinds" in just a few thousand years, parting seas, turning staffs to snakes, making rivers run with blood, etc...
The buy-bull isn't exactly short on impossibilities.
Exactly. We're talking God here.
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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
August 3, 2015 at 12:03 pm
Still, fleshing out the details can be . ..
um .. .
stimulating.
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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
August 3, 2015 at 12:09 pm
(August 3, 2015 at 11:27 am)Lek Wrote: (August 2, 2015 at 11:06 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: So are walking on water, raising others from the dead, feeding hundreds from enough food for a few, coming back from the dead in the first place, global floods, fitting millions of species on a little boat/creating all of today's species from a handful of "kinds" in just a few thousand years, parting seas, turning staffs to snakes, making rivers run with blood, etc...
The buy-bull isn't exactly short on impossibilities.
Exactly. We're talking God here.
You're getting lazy, Lek. Is all you have really "Meh, he's God"?
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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
August 3, 2015 at 12:11 pm
(August 3, 2015 at 4:06 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Sorry, but your two links are pure BS. Acts 2:29-36 clearly states that the Jesus Christ character's soul went to hell.
You're confusing hades with hell. Hades is an abode of the dead awaiting judgement. He could have gone to hades to preach to the souls there per 1 Peter 3:19. Nowhere does the bible say that Jesus went to hell.
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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
August 3, 2015 at 12:16 pm
(August 3, 2015 at 12:09 pm)Iroscato Wrote: (August 3, 2015 at 11:27 am)Lek Wrote: Exactly. We're talking God here.
You're getting lazy, Lek. Is all you have really "Meh, he's God"?
I'm not lazy. I've been discussing the reality of God for over a year and a half in this forum. You and Jenny simply said it's impossible and I said it is because he's God.
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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
August 3, 2015 at 12:30 pm
(August 3, 2015 at 12:16 pm)Lek Wrote: (August 3, 2015 at 12:09 pm)Iroscato Wrote: You're getting lazy, Lek. Is all you have really "Meh, he's God"?
I'm not lazy. I've been discussing the reality of God for over a year and a half in this forum. You and Jenny simply said it's impossible and I said it is because he's God.
Do you honestly not see how circular and absurd that is...?
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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
August 3, 2015 at 4:07 pm
(August 3, 2015 at 1:40 am)Kitan Wrote: (August 3, 2015 at 1:34 am)Godschild Wrote: It's not me who judges, God does that and you're included.
GC
You are judging, yet hiding behind an imaginary being's cloak in doing thus.
You believe according to the scripture you read that I am going to burn, and by resorting to the old tried and true, "It's up to god" you are merely conveying your own thoughts through what you have read and presume to know.
One of the major problems atheists have with theists is that they are continually shifting the blame. "It's not me that hates you, god does."
You are a follower of god. If god hates us, according to your scripture, then so do you. And you need to stop being fucking idiots hiding behind the cloak of an imaginary being.
First of all you are the one claiming God is imaginary, you have some evidence of that I suppose? As for me I know as fact God exists, I'm sorry you haven't got to that point in your life. I believe what the scriptures say and if you do not accept Christ as your savior you will enter eternal punishment, which by the way I do not think it's fire that will be the punishment.
I'm not shifting blame, your going to hell if you do not accept Christ as your savior, can I make that any more plain. God will be you Judge, I'm just telling you what I know from scripture.
God doesn't hate you, you see Christians can't have a good debate with most atheist because they do not know the scriptures and what they have read is only to make God something He isn't so they want have to believe in Him. Fun how atheist set themselves up instead of looking for the truth. By the way we are not idiots, you judgmental donkey.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
August 3, 2015 at 4:11 pm
(August 3, 2015 at 1:46 am)KevinM1 Wrote: Yeah, it's mealy-mouthed bullshit.
"I'm not judging, because 'cast the first stone' and all that jazz. But, I'm god's biggest cheerleader and all my opinions echo his, so... yeah... you're gonna burn. Not judging! But, you are. You really, really are."
Pronouncing your own damnation, is that what you're doing. Just as Pharaoh did.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
August 3, 2015 at 4:18 pm
GD, how exactly do you 'know as fact God exists'?
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