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RE: Two possibilities...
October 1, 2015 at 9:08 am
(October 1, 2015 at 9:07 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (October 1, 2015 at 9:01 am)robvalue Wrote: When people have to chat in private to get their story straight, it doesn't fill me with confidence.
Frankly, I kind of wish they'd all get together and get their stories straight.
I'm tired of arguing No True Scotsman with each one, both insisting that they have the Only Right Version of Christianity™, and that when I try to sum up what the Christian view of something is, they pull out the "you just don't understand Christianity and that's why you're an atheist" bullshit.
It's exhausting trying to keep up.
"No, we don't believe in purple polka-dotted unicorns, we believe in red and blue striped unicorns! You just don't understand anything about our doctrines! Stupid atheist!!!"
Define 'No true Scotsman.'
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October 1, 2015 at 9:09 am
(October 1, 2015 at 9:06 am)Drich Wrote: (October 1, 2015 at 8:52 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: So in other words; you have custody over God but religion is allowed to take him out for ice-cream on weekends.
wow, ralphie where have you been?
Its all abit of an uninteresting haze that would make everyone vomit chunks of boredom from their faces and eyeballs.
I appreciate the concern though.
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RE: Two possibilities...
October 1, 2015 at 9:10 am
(October 1, 2015 at 9:08 am)Drich Wrote: (October 1, 2015 at 9:07 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Frankly, I kind of wish they'd all get together and get their stories straight.
I'm tired of arguing No True Scotsman with each one, both insisting that they have the Only Right Version of Christianity™, and that when I try to sum up what the Christian view of something is, they pull out the "you just don't understand Christianity and that's why you're an atheist" bullshit.
It's exhausting trying to keep up.
"No, we don't believe in purple polka-dotted unicorns, we believe in red and blue striped unicorns! You just don't understand anything about our doctrines! Stupid atheist!!!"
Define 'No true Scotsman.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/No_True_Scotsman
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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Two possibilities...
October 1, 2015 at 9:10 am
(October 1, 2015 at 8:49 am)Drich Wrote: ...And who says we all need to believe the same thing in order to be Christian?
Well if you don't then I'm a Christian and I believe in Father Odin.
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RE: Two possibilities...
October 1, 2015 at 9:12 am
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(October 1, 2015 at 9:08 am)Drich Wrote: (October 1, 2015 at 9:07 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Frankly, I kind of wish they'd all get together and get their stories straight.
I'm tired of arguing No True Scotsman with each one, both insisting that they have the Only Right Version of Christianity™, and that when I try to sum up what the Christian view of something is, they pull out the "you just don't understand Christianity and that's why you're an atheist" bullshit.
It's exhausting trying to keep up.
"No, we don't believe in purple polka-dotted unicorns, we believe in red and blue striped unicorns! You just don't understand anything about our doctrines! Stupid atheist!!!"
Define 'No true Scotsman.'
A scotsman who lies alot.
Examples; "No thank you, I'm trying to cut down on heroin."
"A battered Mars bar? Thats disgusting! I don't want to push my chubby face into that at all!"
(Before someone complains; I'm not saying ALL scots are chubby heroin addicts. Theres some morbidly obese ones too.)
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RE: Two possibilities...
October 1, 2015 at 9:20 am
(October 1, 2015 at 9:09 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: (October 1, 2015 at 9:06 am)Drich Wrote: wow, ralphie where have you been?
Its all abit of an uninteresting haze that would make everyone vomit chunks of boredom from their faces and eyeballs.
I appreciate the concern though.
so county or state?
(prison)
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RE: Two possibilities...
October 1, 2015 at 9:24 am
(October 1, 2015 at 9:20 am)Drich Wrote: (October 1, 2015 at 9:09 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: Its all abit of an uninteresting haze that would make everyone vomit chunks of boredom from their faces and eyeballs.
I appreciate the concern though.
so county or state?
(prison)
Neither. I live in the UK.
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October 1, 2015 at 9:36 am
That, and there's no such thing as a "county prison".
I'm assuming he meant "jail or prison".
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Two possibilities...
October 1, 2015 at 9:44 am
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(October 1, 2015 at 9:10 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (October 1, 2015 at 9:08 am)Drich Wrote: Define 'No true Scotsman.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/No_True_Scotsman
did you read those definations?
Because the 'No true scots' fallacy center around not being able to disqualify a person from being apart of a social grouping when their are no rules governing that particular objection/attempted disqualification.
The example being 'no true Scotsman' would put sugar in his porage... well their aren't any rules concerning being a Scotsman and sugar in porage. however one could indeed say no scot could be born in Germany from a strictly German decent. why? Because a Scotsman in this case would be referring to one's country of origin, and as such where and to whom one is born defines one's country of orgin.
Like wise Their are terms and conditions that make one Christian. If one charges that another can not be a Christian, and conduct something like the Spanish Inquision then yes we can look at those acts and see where they were in direct violation of the laws governing Christianity.
Now I will concede their are times when people say a true Christian won't XYZ and XYZ is not in the bible. Yes that would be an example of a no true scots fallacy applied to Christianity. However the No true Scots fallacy does not refer to the term 'No true christian' never being used. Because clearly their are times when behavior exceeds the boundries of a given social group that would disqualify a given person or who group of people from said group because their actions clearly breaks the rules of said group.
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RE: Two possibilities...
October 1, 2015 at 9:51 am
(October 1, 2015 at 9:36 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: That, and there's no such thing as a "county prison".
I'm assuming he meant "jail or prison".
No I meant to ask County or State?
the word (prison) was meant to ask which form of lock up he was in, without having to explain myself (thanks for that btw). I am completely aware their is a difference between the two that is why I gave the two options.
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