Fact, every single german nazi was a christian

[abaris]

I looked up the information above for a report I did when I attended Gordon Mork's "Hitler and the Holocaust" at Purdue.  I stand by what I said.

So? Fitting the demographic doesn't say anything about the nature of the group. As I said, one fact doesn't paint the whole picture.

[Gawdzilla]

I looked up the information above for a report I did when I attended Gordon Mork's "Hitler and the Holocaust" at Purdue.  I stand by what I said.

So? Fitting the demographic doesn't say anything about the nature of the group. As I said, one fact doesn't paint the whole picture.

No, but it's a important part. But we have more. Der Frage. Heard of it?

[abaris]

Der Frage. Heard of it?

What's that supposed to be? The question - in this case it would be "Die Frage", but nitpicking aside, is that a book? Give specifics, so that I can look it up. I'm not giving an uniformed opinion here.

Is that the one about Josef Mengele?

[Gawdzilla]

Der Frage. Heard of it?

What's that supposed to be? The question - in this case it would be "Die Frage", but nitpicking aside, is that a book? Give specifics, so that I can look it up. I'm not giving an uniformed opinion here.

Is that the one about Josef Mengele?

Sorry about the bad German, it's been a while since I looked at that. Die Frage was the questionnaire Germans had to complete as part of the denazification process. It became the "poster child" of postwar social reconstruction. The German government kept tabs on some people based on their replies to die Frage, and one of the things they looked at was "church attendance." Over 90% of the SS officer corps went right back to their original religions after 1945. The people who compiled the data came to the conclusion that they had been following the SS "mythos" solely to get ahead in that organization. Other studies supported that idea.

[abaris]

The official position propagated by Himmler. I'm usually not a fan of wiki, but it gives an accurate picture of what he wanted for the SS.

Himmler used the Jesuits as the model for the SS, since he found they had the core elements of absolute obedience and the cult of the organisation.[12][11] Hitler is said to have called Himmler "my Ignatius of Loyola".[12] As an order, the SS needed a coherent doctrine that would set it apart.[13] Himmler attempted to construct such an ideology, and deduced a "pseudo-Germanic tradition" from history.[13] Himmler dismissed the image of Christ as a Jew and rejected Christianity's basic doctrine and its institutions.[14] In a 1936 memorandum, he set forth a list of approved holidays based on pagan and political precedents meant to wean SS members from their reliance on Christian festivities.[15] However, these attempts were not entirely successful. Historian Heinz Höhne observes that the "neo-pagan customs" Himmler introduced into the SS "remained primarily a paper exercise".[15] Most of Himmler's attempts to link "old Teutonic" traditions into the spiritual life of the SS and society at large were criticised by the Church as a form of "new heathenism."[16] Although the SS never endorsed Christian beliefs, the traditional rituals and practices of the Christian faith were generally tolerated and respected.[17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology_of_the_SS

Two other anecdotal evidences. Franz Stangl, commander of Treblinka, Catholic. Rudolf Höss, areligious. The organisation certainly wasn't christian. For references see Eugen Kogon's "Der SS Staat", the SS state or Hitlers politische Soldaten by Bernd Wegner. Only two out of many.

Also, I've read quite a few books on the denazification process and the results are considered less than reliable by European historians. People tried to look good. So the answers given in these questionnaires are what the people questioned thought the Allies wanted to hear. A more interesting look at the Nazi elites is Gustave Gilberts Nuremberg Diaries, where he writes about the interviews he had with the inmates there.

[Gawdzilla]

Okay then.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

I'm the asshole for claiming that humans have inherent value and were not just animals, alright then.

We are animals. We're mammals. We have hair and nipples. We have every characteristic of a Great Ape.

That said, I don't even know what "just" animals means? What other options are there? Robots? Angels? Dragons? Aliens?

I am not really clear on what the term "inherent" value might even mean. Next time I meet someone a religious fanatic has chained in a dungeon for being of the wrong faith, I'll ask them what their "inherent" value is.

Meanwhile, back here in reality, we human animals are as valuable as we decide among ourselves that we are. No more, no less.

That's both a good and a bad thing, and it's our duty to make it as good as we can, since as Edmund Burke put it, 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

You really should learn why I call myself a Secular Humanist, what we are and what we believe, to understand why I meet your accusations of nihilism with such derision and scorn.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Most Americans during WWII were Christians. If you put a bunch of them in a dark room with a bunch on Nazis you couldn't tell them apart. They were all bigoted racist assholes who took great delight in killing their enemies.

[Gawdzilla]

Most Americans during WWII were Christians.  If you put a bunch of them in a dark room with a bunch on Nazis you couldn't tell them apart.  They were all bigoted racist assholes who took great delight in killing their enemies.

You were never in the military were you?

[Nay_Sayer]

Hitler most definitely a god believer, Invoked him at various times during speeches.

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“Besides that, I believe one thing: there is a Lord God! And this Lord God creates the peoples.” (Hitler, speech, February 24, 1940, Essential Hitler, p499)

“Hence this song [The German anthem] also constitutes a pledge to the Almighty, to His will and to His work: for man has not created this Volk, but God, that God who stands above us all. He formed this Volk, and it has become what it should according to God’s will, and according to our will, it shall remain, nevermore to fade!” (Hitler, speech, July 31, 1937, Essential Hitler, p161)

“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord” (Hitler, Mein Kampf)

“My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them.” (Hitler, speech, April 12 1922).

“It is my conviction that the human beings God created also wish to lead their lives modeled after the will of the Almighty.” (Hitler, speech June 27, 1937, p153 of Essential Hitler)

“We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” (Hitler, speech in Berlin on October 24, 1933)

“I believe that it was also God’s will that from here a boy was to be sent into the Reich, allowed to mature, and elevated to become the nation’s Fuhrer, thus enabling him to reintegrate his homeland into the Reich. There is a divine will, and all we are is its instruments” (Hitler, speech April 9, 1938, Essential Hitler, p162)

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FSM made sure to boil him extra long.