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RE: Is it possible to upload our minds into a computer or in engineered living tissue?
October 16, 2015 at 5:07 pm
(October 16, 2015 at 3:52 am)I_am_not_mafia Wrote: (October 13, 2015 at 11:54 am)Rhythm Wrote: What do we do /w the originals...is it off to the meatgrinder, lol? What happens in a dispute between the original and the copy? Can you murder yourself, or would it be considered suicide, or even less, property damage, or maybe it would be seen as akin to getting a piercing? Theres little restriction as to what we can do with our own bodies, even if it incurs harm.
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Imagine there is a way to upload yourself to a machine. You decide to do it yourself. The scientist plugs you into a scanner. This reads the entire state of your brain, which neurons you have, how they are connected, the current voltage of each neuron, the number of vesicles currently traversing across your synaptic clefts etc.
It then simulates this on a super computer. There are a few tests performed to make sure that it thinks and talks like you and the results come back as positive. The scientist then turns round to you and says "Excellent. You have been uploaded into the computer. You can die now"
That's not the way you do it. Your brain is scanned when you are unconscious. Once the copy is verified, the original is disposed of. The copy is uploaded to a new body. The copy awakes believing he/she is the original. No difference. For all practical purposes, the copy IS the original in a new body.
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RE: Is it possible to upload our minds into a computer or in engineered living tissue?
October 16, 2015 at 5:11 pm
That would probably be the gentlest way, yes..but we're imagining dystopias here - get with the fuckin program! 
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RE: Is it possible to upload our minds into a computer or in engineered living tissue?
October 16, 2015 at 5:15 pm
(October 16, 2015 at 4:27 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It's be more like this - "Oh, btw, is there anything you'd like us to take from the body before we dispose of it?" I could use a spare kidney on a friday night, myself.
Meanwhile you're sitting there watching a doctor talk to a machine about what organs they want to take from you ! 
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RE: Is it possible to upload our minds into a computer or in engineered living tissue?
October 16, 2015 at 5:18 pm
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(October 16, 2015 at 5:07 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: That's not the way you do it. Your brain is scanned when you are unconscious. Once the copy is verified, the original is disposed of. The copy is uploaded to a new body. The copy awakes believing he/she is the original. No difference. For all practical purposes, the copy IS the original in a new body.
How is that different to being told that you're going to be put under and won't ever wake up? Then when you protest someone says that there will be a simulation of you out there.
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RE: Is it possible to upload our minds into a computer or in engineered living tissue?
October 16, 2015 at 5:22 pm
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You yourself have signed for this procedure Mrs. Johnson, there's no reason to be hysterical, it will all go as we planned, together. Now, you don't want to be out there, getting in the way of the new you....now do you?
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R: Is it possible to upload our minds into a computer or in engineered living tissue?
October 16, 2015 at 6:38 pm
(October 16, 2015 at 5:07 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: (October 16, 2015 at 3:52 am)I_am_not_mafia Wrote: Imagine there is a way to upload yourself to a machine. You decide to do it yourself. The scientist plugs you into a scanner. This reads the entire state of your brain, which neurons you have, how they are connected, the current voltage of each neuron, the number of vesicles currently traversing across your synaptic clefts etc.
It then simulates this on a super computer. There are a few tests performed to make sure that it thinks and talks like you and the results come back as positive. The scientist then turns round to you and says "Excellent. You have been uploaded into the computer. You can die now"
That's not the way you do it. Your brain is scanned when you are unconscious. Once the copy is verified, the original is disposed of. The copy is uploaded to a new body. The copy awakes believing he/she is the original. No difference. For all practical purposes, the copy IS the original in a new body.
Why bother? We can just tell the "original" that that is what we are doing, and instead of making a copy to wake up, we don't. There is no need to make a copy at all.
Frankly, whether there is a copy that is made or not makes absolutely no difference for the original that is put unconscious and killed.
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October 20, 2015 at 1:02 pm
If you are not a dualist you must believe that, at least in theory, it's possible.
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RE: Is it possible to upload our minds into a computer or in engineered living tissue?
October 21, 2015 at 7:25 am
PREDICTIONS CHECKPOINT
(October 13, 2015 at 9:21 am)Ben Davis Wrote: *predicts stages of this thread
1. The neurologists will say "Yes, it's technically plausible that one day the technology could exist..." Check
2. The philosophers will ask "Ahh, yes... but would it still be You?!". Check
3. The materialists will say "No, it wouldn't be You as You would have ceased to exist. Instead it would be You2.". Check
4. The technologists will say "We could program You2 to think it's you and behave as if there's been no discontinuity between existences.". Check
5. The dualists will say "Yes, it would be You as it would replicate the mechanism through which You interact with this reality."
6. The pragmatists will say "This is all redundant speculation." Check
7. A certain someone will chime-in "Why would our consciousness die when as we can see in nature nothing die? 
8. Someone will throw something
9. A moderator will say "Stop that now, you two!"
10. People will stop reading and the thread will die.
11. Someone will create an exact copy of the thread, post it without the deletion of the original thread and use it as evidence of the accuracy of prediction 3.
I'm not doing too badly, so-far. Come on, Dualists! Where are ya?! 
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