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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 6:54 pm
(October 29, 2015 at 6:17 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You kidding with that one? Don't do it....you'll just be proving Esqui completely right in every particular.....
Quote:Hawking now explained: "What I meant by 'we would know the mind of God' is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God. Which there isn't. I'm an atheist."
He added: "Religion believes in miracles, but these aren't compatible with science."
http://www.cnet.com/news/stephen-hawking...is-no-god/
well if hes an atheist why should i value his opinion on a God that he admits he doesnt know ?
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 6:58 pm
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You're a moron..what you shouldn't have done...is google for the first smart sounding person that said something you thought might lend credibility to your position...Jenny.
That's what you did. Own it. If you can't take your own remarks seriously then why should anyone else take them seriously?
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 7:00 pm
(October 29, 2015 at 5:37 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Except that he wasn't aware of any intelligent design to our universe. Neither are you, neither is anyone...because there doesn't appear to be one.... nor is one required.
Again, I would suggest that you get your biology from a biologist. That, in itself, won't be foolproof...but at least you won't end up in a position such as this, here on the boards.
why would learning more about biology make me see it as less amazing and incredibly complex dont you think that would only increase my belief in God and the conviction of intelligent design . ok ill read up on biology and ill let you know if reading about the incredible beauty and perfection in nature convinces me that there isnt intelligence behind it
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 7:02 pm
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No one said it would make you see it as less amazing...so I don't know why you're asking me that question.
You going full retard on us? Seeing if you can get her to hit 90 before she meets the brick wall? What's going on here?
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 7:09 pm
(October 29, 2015 at 5:40 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (October 29, 2015 at 5:36 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: im not sourcing Einsteins knowledge of biology but his awareness of an intelligent design to the universe in his study of physics which is the natural science that involves the study of matter and its motion through space and time and energy.
So basically you just want to halt your respect for science at some arbitrarily derived point in the past and ignore all future discoveries because there was a smart guy at that time that you think might give your ideas extra credibility.
You clearly don't give a shit about science, so you can drop all this "study of physics" stuff; what you care about is finding people who agree with you who seem smart. If you cared about science you'd be following the cutting edge of it, but you're content on just stopping wherever suits you best.
an intelligent creator gave us our intellect and science so why wouldnt i have respect for both science is great and makes the world a better place . humans have limited understanding if we didnt scientist would have all the mysteries figured out already wouldnt they ? im open to considering something you think is an unintelligent disorganized manifestation in existence .
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 7:10 pm
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Long past time to make your case, Jenny. Long past time to cease demanding that others provide you with the straw you're pitching. Long past time to cease prevaricating and dodging both the responsibility of your own claims, and an acknowledgement of what others have provided to you, at your request.
Do work.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 7:22 pm
(October 29, 2015 at 6:07 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You'd be wrong, I intentionally chose each number in both examples. There were two designed things, and their designer, staring you in the face and you failed to recognize either of them. Seems you're not good enough at this to determine whether two short sets of numbers are intentional or designed or random...you might be significantly worse at determining whether or not the universe was designed.
Equipment slightly more effective than your eyes seems to be required. In the case of both BBT and Modern Synth, such equipment exists and was used to arrive at our current understanding.
of course you intentionally chose both sets of numbers your the one that thought of them and typed them out as an intelligent being you produce things the meaning behind the numbers you chose to type out only you know im not a mind reader just like i cannot know the intelligence of the creator of the universe
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 7:22 pm
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That's the redline, shift (or you'll fall short).
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 7:25 pm
(October 29, 2015 at 5:55 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: (October 29, 2015 at 5:50 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: yes im sure you dont think nature is amazing at all but i disagree and i think its very organized and coordinated and in my experience unthinking matter does not create complex designs but thinking beings do .
That means nothing. Your "experience" - whatever that consists of - is entirely irrelevant to what is and what isn't "designed". Just as is mine. What counts are facts and evidence. Of which you have none. Only opinions.
you also only have opinions
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 7:25 pm
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(October 29, 2015 at 7:09 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 29, 2015 at 5:40 pm)Esquilax Wrote: So basically you just want to halt your respect for science at some arbitrarily derived point in the past and ignore all future discoveries because there was a smart guy at that time that you think might give your ideas extra credibility.
You clearly don't give a shit about science, so you can drop all this "study of physics" stuff; what you care about is finding people who agree with you who seem smart. If you cared about science you'd be following the cutting edge of it, but you're content on just stopping wherever suits you best.
an intelligent creator gave us our intellect and science so why wouldnt i have respect for both science is great and makes the world a better place . humans have limited understanding if we didnt scientist would have all the mysteries figured out already wouldnt they ? im open to considering something you think is an unintelligent disorganized manifestation in existence .
Those are more unsupported assertions.
Please provide demonstrable evidence that any of them are likely true.
And no, "look at nature. I can't imagine how it could have happened via natural means, so it must have been a god" is not evidence.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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