I don't claim intelligent design. I claim design.
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Here's why Creatards might be right
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 (October 30, 2015 at 5:57 am)pool Wrote: I don't claim intelligent design. I claim design. If the universe is designed, why doesn't it work better? I'm not remotely a god, or even an engineer, but I'm clever enough to spot design flaws. What we have is consistent with the model of a non-designed universe- fairly sloppy, and just good enough to get by. Boru
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 (October 30, 2015 at 5:59 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(October 30, 2015 at 5:57 am)pool Wrote: I don't claim intelligent design. I claim design. Well, if I believed in an intelligent design then I'd believe in a perfect world because a perfect world would then make sense. But what I believe in is design;not intelligent design. A design can be of varying degrees of efficiencies, it can be crappy, it can be awesome, it can be perfect and a lot more. I hope that answered your question. 
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October 30, 2015 at 6:32 am
(This post was last modified: October 30, 2015 at 6:33 am by robvalue.)
What does design mean then, if not through an intelligence? Sentience, at least.
I really have no idea what you mean. Feel free to send me a private message.
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Formerly defined parameters for execution. -> Design
"This is how particles interact,period." -> Design Do you understand what I mean now? 
Pooley is getting all godly on us, aren't you mate?
Tell us who designed this universe and for what intention? And then tell us who designed the designer? Down the rabbit hole we go again.
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October 30, 2015 at 6:49 am
(This post was last modified: October 30, 2015 at 6:50 am by robvalue.)
What you seem to mean is that there are rules to how things work? Unless you're saying an intelligence designed those rules, I have no idea where design comes into it.
Otherwise you're just using some sort of tautological description. If you're just calling the rules "the design", then yes, there is "design". Just not what anyone else would call design. Feel free to send me a private message.
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October 30, 2015 at 6:58 am
(This post was last modified: October 30, 2015 at 6:58 am by ignoramus.)
That is no different to saying: look how clever that pond is for filling it's hole up absolutely perfectly! What great design!
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October 30, 2015 at 7:03 am
(This post was last modified: October 30, 2015 at 7:04 am by ErGingerbreadMandude.)
Why wouldn't anyone else call a formerly applied set of rules on a system that governs the functioning of said system a design?
That's what a design kind of means. |
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