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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 4:47 pm
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How would you know what's true? Truth is defined by logical operation -which you've opted out of in defense of your beliefs.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 4:47 pm
(October 31, 2015 at 4:38 pm)Rhythm Wrote: No..I said, in my last post, precisely what can be read in my last post. I'm not surprised that you see fit to insert nonsense into it..after all..that's been a habit of yours for quite some time now, and you aren't beholden to any sort of reasonable discourse, strawmanning.......shitposter.
I'd explain -how- those people managed to peer into the past, but I'm afraid it wouldn't make any sense to a person who has given up all claim to logical discourse. Come to think of it, how is it that you manage to discuss or understand anything at all? Maybe I'm assuming too much, do you?
so you deny that you wrote the following ?
"They -have- observed evolution, and they -have- run tests during that process, numbskull. Evolution is a fact, the theory of evolution attempts to explain that fact. Again..all avenues for excuse have been closed. "
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 4:49 pm
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Why would I need to confirm or deny what can easily be viewed as a record on these boards? They have observed evolution, they have run tests during that process. Do you have anything to say regarding -my- comments...or will you need to supply your own and pretend that they are mine, like usual?
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 4:49 pm
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(October 31, 2015 at 4:47 pm)Rhythm Wrote: How would you know what's true? Truth is defined by logical operation -which you've opted out of in defense of your beliefs.
do you deny that DNA has been traced back to Africa?
(October 31, 2015 at 4:49 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Why would I need to confirm or deny what can easily be viewed as a record on these boards? They have observed evolution, they have run tests during that process. Do you have anything to say regarding -my- comments...or will you need to supply your own, like usual?
well you did deny you said it i said how could scientists test something if humans didnt exist yet and you said "Who said they did, strawmanning shitposter? " remember ?
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 4:52 pm
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(October 31, 2015 at 4:49 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: do you deny that DNA has been traced back to Africa? If I had, you could quote me easily. Since I haven't...you can't.
Quote:well you did deny you said it
If I had, you could quote me easily. Since I haven't...you can't.
You're genuinely bad at this...btw, lol. If you were familiar with proper argumentation.......you might not be. Course, you'd have to accept the standards of proper argumentation before you could show improvement. Fat chance in hell, amiright?
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 5:00 pm
Jenny, seriously, if I believed for a minute that you would listen and understand, I'd be glad to go over the mountain of evidence we have for evolution with you, or to point you into some of the books that sum it up for laypersons. When I see you write that there's "no evidence", it makes me shudder at the memories of the LONG HOURS I have spent, trying to remember a fraction of what was put before us to digest, when I was getting my major in bio and my minor in chem, and it makes me wonder if you are capable of letting go of your opinion to look at the facts. I don't ask you to spend the hours I spent...
And I mean hooooooooooooooooooooooooours!...
But I do ask you to not just wave your hand in the air, blowing off 150 years of scientific research as if it's "just another opinion", as if any ol' opinion will do. That's something I'd expect Scarlett O'Hara to say, "oh, fiddle-dee-dee!", not a rational modern woman.
We know what happened in the past because there are methods we devise for testing what happened in the past, and for checking for errors by using several methods that would arrive at different results if they were not both accurate. It's why the "how you got your results" is so important, and it's what keeps "any ol' opinion" from being equal!
I am truly, truly baffled to watch you sit there proudly and defiantly typing "well my opinion is as good as yours!" WHEN YOUR OPINION DEFIES 99.99999% of the experts who actually work in that field of study!
No one would think a person who said "My opinion about my health is just as good as my doctor's!" or "My ideas about tax law are just as good as my Tax Attorney's!" was anything but delusional.
And yet that's exactly what you're doing.
What THE FUCK makes people think that the scientific community, the top experts on earth, is any different, that they can just dismiss them because they don't like the findings?
"I'm sorry, Mister Harvard Law School Attorney, I can't accept that answer, even though 99.9999% of lawyers all tell me that's what the law says. There's one lawyer, over in Arizona, who tells me that I'm just fine, so screw you pal, I'm not really going to jail no matter what you say!!!" *handwave*
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 5:03 pm
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(October 31, 2015 at 4:52 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (October 31, 2015 at 4:49 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: do you deny that DNA has been traced back to Africa? If I had, you could quote me easily. Since I haven't...you can't.
Quote:well you did deny you said it
If I had, you could quote me easily. Since I haven't...you can't.
You're genuinely bad at this...btw, lol. If you were familiar with proper argumentation.......you might not be. Course, you'd have to accept the standards of proper argumentation before you could show improvement. Fat chance in hell, amiright?
you did deny you said it ..... i said how could scientists test something if humans didnt exist yet and you said "Who said they did, strawmanning shitposter? " remember ? ( right after you said that they did testing throughout the evolutionary process )
(October 31, 2015 at 5:00 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Jenny, seriously, if I believed for a minute that you would listen and understand, I'd be glad to go over the mountain of evidence we have for evolution with you, or to point you into some of the books that sum it up for laypersons. When I see you write that there's "no evidence", it makes me shudder at the memories of the LONG HOURS I have spent, trying to remember a fraction of what was put before us to digest, when I was getting my major in bio and my minor in chem, and it makes me wonder if you are capable of letting go of your opinion to look at the facts. I don't ask you to spend the hours I spent...
And I mean hooooooooooooooooooooooooours!...
But I do ask you to not just wave your hand in the air, blowing off 150 years of scientific research as if it's "just another opinion", as if any ol' opinion will do. That's something I'd expect Scarlett O'Hara to say, "oh, fiddle-dee-dee!", not a rational modern woman.
We know what happened in the past because there are methods we devise for testing what happened in the past, and for checking for errors by using several methods that would arrive at different results if they were not both accurate. It's why the "how you got your results" is so important, and it's what keeps "any ol' opinion" from being equal!
I am truly, truly baffled to watch you sit there proudly and defiantly typing "well my opinion is as good as yours!" WHEN YOUR OPINION DEFIES 99.99999% of the experts who actually work in that field of study!
No one would think a person who said "My opinion about my health is just as good as my doctor's!" or "My ideas about tax law are just as good as my Tax Attorney's!" was anything but delusional.
And yet that's exactly what you're doing.
What THE FUCK makes people think that the scientific community, the top experts on earth, is any different, that they can just dismiss them because they don't like the findings?
"I'm sorry, Mister Harvard Law School Attorney, I can't accept that answer, even though 99.9999% of lawyers all tell me that's what the law says. There's one lawyer, over in Arizona, who tells me that I'm just fine, so screw you pal, I'm not really going to jail no matter what you say!!!" *handwave*
im just saying that no observation or scientific testing has been conducted on the process of evolution theres no documentation of the process of evolution since it occured before humanity existed , its just a good assumption based on current observation just like me making the assumption that intelligence must be required to produce organized systems by observation of my current environment
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 5:09 pm
*sigh* He's telling you that, once you understand the mechanisms at play, like genetics and geology, you don't *need* a time machine to study it. The evidence is preserved in the genome and in the rocks.
It's the same reason we don't need to be present at a murder to prove the guy did it. We examine the crime scene. We collect DNA. We look at the body to determine the details of what happened. We collect evidence. We formulate hypotheses about what happened and run tests to prove or disprove them. We build a case and present it to others for public examination.
The difference between a trial and science is that it's just two lawyers seeking to disprove the other one's claims about what the evidence suggests, while the entire scientific community works on the evidence for evolution.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 5:09 pm
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Yeah, that -is- what I said (and it only took you how many posts to get it right?)...and perhaps you'll notice, that nowhere in what -I- said..will you find the phrase "humans tested something before humans existed". To find that, we'll have to refer to your strawmanning shitpost..now won't we?
Give up.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 5:16 pm
(October 31, 2015 at 5:09 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Yeah, that -is- what I said (and it only took you how many posts to get it right?)...and perhaps you'll notice, that nowhere in what -I- said..will you find the phrase "humans tested something before humans existed". To find that, we'll have to refer to your strawmanning shitpost..now won't we?
Give up.
i never claimed that phrase was in there i just pointed out what you claimed that there was testing throughout the evolutionary process
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