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If you were ever a theist...
RE: If you were ever a theist...
Egyptian? Good choice.

As I have said, "Ra!!!" Is fun to shout Big Grin
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RE: If you were ever a theist...
I've always thought that if you're going to worship anything, the sun would be the best choice by far.

1) It exists

2) We are demonstrably dependent on it for every aspect of our survival

3) It looks cool

4) Fuck off and make me a sandwich
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RE: If you were ever a theist...
(January 4, 2016 at 12:07 am)*Deidre* Wrote:
(January 3, 2016 at 11:49 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: I agree, when you don't have an answer for something, the rational answer is I don't know. Turning to your imagination to come up with answers is in no way a pathway to truth.

Maybe it's not one's imagination.  Cool

If it's not your imagination, you ought to have evidence to present to prove it.
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RE: If you were ever a theist...
(January 5, 2016 at 2:28 am)robvalue Wrote: I've always thought that if you're going to worship anything, the sun would be the best choice by far.

1) It exists

2) We are demonstrably dependent on it for every aspect of our survival

3) It looks cool

4) Fuck off and make me a sandwich
The one problem with this is the lack of conciousness, the thing is a ball of plasma after all.
For me, I fall back on my ancestors whose efforts over countless generations have made me what I am.
These do have the added benefit of providing examples of actions to follow or avoid in various situations.
Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?
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RE: If you were ever a theist...
Double post, ignore.
Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?
-Esquilax

Evolution - Adapt or be eaten.
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RE: If you were ever a theist...
(January 5, 2016 at 2:28 am)robvalue Wrote: I've always thought that if you're going to worship anything, the sun would be the best choice by far.

1) It exists

2) We are demonstrably dependent on it for every aspect of our survival

3) It looks cool

4) Fuck off and make me a sandwich

Um #4? lol

The sun is one of the earliest 'gods' I do believe. lol 

Shamanism is thought to be the very first 'religion' and it mainly dealt with varying forms of consciousness. Think even back then, people had a natural curiosity as to what lurks beyond all we can see, touch, etc...
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RE: If you were ever a theist...
(December 30, 2015 at 10:17 am)*Deidre* Wrote: If you were ever a theist/believer, what led you to no longer believe? Not looking to preach, that’s not my thing and it’s against rules anyway, but just curious. I remember my own journey over the past few years with it all, and just thought it’d be interesting to hear your ‘stories’ if you were once believers before identifying as an atheist.  Heart

Simple: there is no supportable reason to believe, and all questions asked on why anyone should were met with answers which were either shifty or defensive.
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RE: If you were ever a theist...
Yeah, the sun doesn't have a consciousness. Probably. It may well have "something", that could be roughly approximated to consciousness. I've wondered about such things.

But it's still more likely that the sun does have one, than something not even proven to exist at all.

Where's my sandwich? Tongue

I could understand being simply grateful to the sun and celebrating it, even if you don't think it's aware you're worshipping it. That would be where I would start.
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RE: If you were ever a theist...
I believe the Sun does have a spirit/perception/knowledge. I would not worship it however simply because no matter how great a being is, all beings and all possibilities of beings, cannot compare to the absolute. Because my reverence for the absolute is so much higher then everything else, and everything else pales in comparison to it, and worship as I understand is meant to be used for highest reverence we have for beings, I will not worship anything else. Nothing can be a god to me, because it has no level close to God.
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(January 5, 2016 at 3:27 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I believe the Sun does have a spirit/perception/knowledge. I would not worship it however simply because no matter how great a being is, all beings and all possibilities of beings, cannot compare to the absolute. Because my reverence for the absolute is so much higher then everything else, and everything else pales in comparison to it, and worship as I understand is meant to be used for highest reverence we have for beings, I will not worship anything else. Nothing can be a god to me, because it has no level close to God.

You seem very grounded and at peace, Mystic. Consistent. I admire this.
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