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RE: Keep Eating Your Fucking Meat
April 30, 2011 at 9:58 pm
(April 30, 2011 at 9:40 pm)SpatiumTempusque Wrote: I was venting in this post out of anger.... sorry if I made you uncomfortable.
But seriously, what's wrong with treating animals a little better?
(April 30, 2011 at 9:30 pm)theVOID Wrote: Wow Spat, do you think you could find a more biased piece of propaganda? In order to match your level of bias I'd have to find a video compilation of black violence an crime and then call all blacks "cocksuckers".
This is why I don't take your opinion 100& seriously in this aspect. It's simply a reality and if you wish to undermine it then you are part of the problem.
The best propaganda is based on the truth. Doesn't mean it isn't propaganda. And having it shoved in our faces makes us want to bite. If you want a rational discussion on the issue, please do start one.
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RE: Keep Eating Your Fucking Meat
April 30, 2011 at 10:02 pm
Was I being irrational?
Okay, explain to me why this is proof enough that animals on farms such as these are mistreated in an appalling manor and deserve a decent life. How is this a negative thing [the video]? How is this negative propaganda? It's trying to make change for the better and it's a noble cause.
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RE: Keep Eating Your Fucking Meat
April 30, 2011 at 10:05 pm
(April 30, 2011 at 9:40 pm)SpatiumTempusque Wrote: I was venting in this post out of anger.... sorry if I made you uncomfortable.
You didn't make anyone uncomfortable, you made yourself look like a fool.
Quote:But seriously, what's wrong with treating animals a little better?
What's wrong with giving a fair picture of the farm and meat industries?
Quote:This is why I don't take your opinion 100& seriously in this aspect. It's simply a reality and if you wish to undermine it then you are part of the problem.
Why, because you struggle to account for your own biases? That video is propaganda, the worst of the worst of cases complied for pure shock factor, to bypass the human ability to deliberate effectively on the issue at hand and instill biases that taint judgement in favor of their position.
It's a dirty trick, no context, no statistics, exactly like showing a compilation of drunken violence and then arguing from that to vilify everyone who drinks. Yeah the animals in that video were poorly treated, but that does not represent more than a small fraction of the industry as a whole.
If you'd called the factory farm owners "cocksuckers" you might have been able to save face, despite showing a propaganda film, but to pass the brunt to [b]everyone[i] who consumers meat is absurd.
Here's a challenge for you - Before you decide to condemn people for eating meat, why don't you provide the basis for your self-righteous moral judgements?
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RE: Keep Eating Your Fucking Meat
April 30, 2011 at 10:06 pm
(April 30, 2011 at 9:10 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Lobbying for reasonable animal welfare and cage conditions is quite a leap from simply condemning people who consume animal flesh, as you have done so in this thread.
Careful now. He hasnt condemned anyone. Mind that you read the title to the topic when he posts "delicious" in it as well.
I think he is just disgusted at the system, not the omnivorous habits.
If I am correct, then please respond with a smile
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RE: Keep Eating Your Fucking Meat
April 30, 2011 at 10:13 pm
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(April 30, 2011 at 10:05 pm)theVOID Wrote: (April 30, 2011 at 9:40 pm)SpatiumTempusque Wrote: I was venting in this post out of anger.... sorry if I made you uncomfortable.
You didn't make anyone uncomfortable, you made yourself look like a fool. Fair enough. Please, I beg you almighty Void, forgive me!
Quote:But seriously, what's wrong with treating animals a little better?
Quote:What's wrong with giving a fair picture of the farm and meat industries?
Oh, it's a fair picture. Besides, I'm not speaking of the industry as a who;e in the first place. Only the corporate owned companies tend to act in this way it seems.
Quote:This is why I don't take your opinion 100& seriously in this aspect. It's simply a reality and if you wish to undermine it then you are part of the problem.
Quote:Why, because you struggle to account for your own biases? That video is propaganda, the worst of the worst of cases complied for pure shock factor, to bypass the human ability to deliberate effectively on the issue at hand and instill biases that taint judgement in favor of their position.
Uhhmm... I'm pretty sure that there's a problem being addressed here through this video. It's a problem and it is biased. Biased towards the side of justice.
Quote:It's a dirty trick, no context, no statistics, exactly like showing a compilation of drunken violence and then arguing from that to vilify everyone who drinks. Yeah the animals in that video were poorly treated, but that does not represent more than a small fraction of the industry as a whole.
I have no statistics at the moment but even this minority needs to be fought against. What's wrong with that?
Quote:If you'd called the factory farm owners "cocksuckers" you might have been able to save face, despite showing a propaganda film, but to pass the brunt to [b]everyone[i] who consumers meat is absurd.
Yes I am sorry about the cock sucking thing.
Quote:Here's a challenge for you - Before you decide to condemn people for eating meat, why don't you provide the basis for your self-righteous moral judgements?
Torture=Bad
Quote:Careful now. He hasnt condemned anyone. Mind that you read the title to the topic when he posts "delicious" in it as well.
I think he is just disgusted at the system, not the omnivorous habits.
If I am correct, then please respond with a smile
Hey look! Someone that doesn't take things out of context! It's a miracle!
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RE: Keep Eating Your Fucking Meat
April 30, 2011 at 10:29 pm
(April 30, 2011 at 10:06 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: Careful now. He hasnt condemned anyone.
Sure, calling someone "Cocksucker" isn't a form of condemnation.
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RE: Keep Eating Your Fucking Meat
April 30, 2011 at 10:33 pm
(April 30, 2011 at 10:29 pm)theVOID Wrote: (April 30, 2011 at 10:06 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: Careful now. He hasnt condemned anyone.
Sure, calling someone "Cocksucker" isn't a form of condemnation.
Im sure the gays will disagree with you
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RE: Keep Eating Your Fucking Meat
April 30, 2011 at 10:50 pm
(April 30, 2011 at 10:33 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: (April 30, 2011 at 10:29 pm)theVOID Wrote: (April 30, 2011 at 10:06 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: Careful now. He hasnt condemned anyone.
Sure, calling someone "Cocksucker" isn't a form of condemnation.
Im sure the gays will disagree with you It was used pejoratively. It was an insult, it was meant to be an insult. It was not an accident.
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RE: Keep Eating Your Fucking Meat
May 1, 2011 at 12:59 am
(This post was last modified: May 1, 2011 at 3:50 am by ib.me.ub.)
(April 30, 2011 at 7:30 pm)SpatiumTempusque Wrote: So no one gives a single fuck?
There is no hope in humanity.
Some people do, but you must be aware by now that there is no hope for humanity.
We are probably hundered of centuries away from becoming a vegetarian species, if ever. More that likely we won't make it, there are more pressing matters that will stop us before then.
Thats not to say you can't enjoy life.
thevoid Wrote:You didn't make anyone uncomfortable, you made yourself look like a fool.
You don't speak for everyone.
thevoid Wrote:Here's a challenge for you - Before you decide to condemn people for eating meat, why don't you provide the basis for your self-righteous moral judgements?
The production of meat produces massive amount of green house gasses, which in turn, add to the Climate Change problem. Climate change will cause massive problems for the human species in terms of lives, belongings & the economy. To stop eating meat would be one way to stop this pending catastophe & human suffering.
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RE: Keep Eating Your Delicious Meat
May 1, 2011 at 1:42 am
Cant we all just get along?
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