Best Qur'an?

[WinterHold]

Islam is entirely unremarkable set against the other predominant faiths, or the random aspirations of the average stoner.   When you say that religions have been around for years...that's true, but the abrahamic faiths are some of the newest (and islam the youngest of -them-).  Other religions aren't cribbing your ridiculous hadiths, either.  The relationship went the other way around.  

Finally, the sunni and the shia didn't destroy a damned thing.  We get alot of this from evangelicals here in the us, mostly aimed toward catholicism.  Not a single "hey, thanks for this turd of a religion you saw fit to grace me with...that I've just carved into something that I think might be more palatable."

I'll leave Napoleon to answer you:

I hope the time is not far off when I shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of the Quran which alone are true and which alone can lead men to happiness.

Honestly, Rhythm, I prefer to listen to Napoleon than to listen to you; no insult but I think he was a better soldier !


https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Napoleon_I_of_France

And I thought America was pretty much interested in Islam; too?

http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/Publ...erson.html

You can criticize the faith, but I won't take you seriously if you say that it's "a weak deal". Islam is a big one; one heavy faith that famous people -not me- had stated, admitted & declared its importance and uniqueness.

MNMP

Not fresh and salty water; but "the two seas":

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It's not like the Nile becomes salty, or the Mediterranean becomes not salty. 

CapanAwesome

If God followed the standards you draw for him, then that would be a shame, I mean look at hollywood and what human standards of perfection did to lots of innocent people (holywood being an example), what kind of sovereign God would follow your code of standards; really?

Your theory doesn't stand firm, because the Arabic Quran managed to reach Millions of people; and like I said: it's all about the meaning; the book is easy to translate (I'm doing it here right now on this forum), this is not the reason why you won't believe.

You don't believe because you don't wanna believe. It's that simple. Humans in general are nothing more but what they want; many people tried to use "logic" and "proof"; but at the end: to a Christian Jesus is the son of God, to a Jew Palistine is Israel; to Bush Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, to Hitler Germans are the purest form of awesomeness, to me spicy Shrimps are wonderful.

What you want to believe.

[The Grand Nudger]

Well, if napolean said so, and since being a better soldier means something (lol?), I guess that settles it. Which way is east?  

Plenty of dipshits are interested in islam..I bet they all believe that it's unique and important, just like you. I don't demand that you take me seriously, that's what makes your demands that I take your religion seriously so amusing to me. It's a one sided bargain and you have nothing to offer or barter over. Might explain why you feel compelled to throw names at the wall hoping that they mean something to me. Hell, it worked on you, so I can't blame you for trying...but it -is- funny to watch.

[ReptilianPeon]

I'll give you some brownie points, Atlas, for not going down the route of trying to claim fresh and salt water never mix. I know you're far better than those people who lick Abdul Wahaab's butt, and I've come to expect far more intelligent reasoning for you. Not that it's hard to be better than those fools paid for by al-Saud.

Still, it's an odd choice of language. I know the word "Bahrain" doesn't just refer to the puppet of Saudi, and I've been assured that's the word used in this instance. I think you're great, and you do a good job of keeping me humble give the harsh existence in Saudi, but all of the major translations are in agreement on Quran 25:53

http://quranx.com/25.53?allTranslations=y

One sea is salty and th other isn't and the Quran says they don't mix at all. But maybe I'm misunderstanding. Please elaborate further.

[WinterHold]

Well, if napolean said so, and since being a better soldier means something (lol?), I guess that settles it.  Which way is east?  

Plenty of dipshits are interested in islam..I bet they all believe that it's unique and important, just like you.  I don't demand that you take me seriously, that's what makes your demands that I take your religion seriously so amusing to me.  It's a one sided bargain and you have nothing to offer or barter over.  Might explain why you feel compelled to throw names at the wall hoping that they mean something to me.  Hell, it worked on you, so I can't blame you for trying...but it -is- funny to watch.

Right, it doesn't mean anything in the context we're speaking about.

Though, I can pretty much say that lots of dipshits aren't interested in Islam either. Eventually it's all about you and what you want for yourself; I'm not recruiting or building up an army. This message is bigger than me, it has a God, I'm a mere follower who wanted to tell other humans about what he believed.

MNMP

The mechanism and dynamics of liquids prevent the two bodies of water to get mixed:

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questio...as-not-mix

That mechanism allowed the barrier to be there (well it doesn't have to physical; the same word -Barzakh برزخ=barrier- was used to describe the spirtual barrier between life and death in another verse-:
http://quranx.com/23.100?allTranslations=y

After a long long time though, they will mix, but the verse speaks about now, the Quran did though speak about "then"; when even seas would evaporate:

quoting wikipidia first:

This will cause the atmosphere to become a "moist greenhouse", resulting in a runaway evaporation of the oceans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_of_the_Earth

Then the verse of earth going into the state of change:

http://quranx.com/14.48?allTranslations=y

And eventually, the mixing of the seas (or their evaporation):

http://quranx.com/82.3?allTranslations=y

http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/d...32&ID=2909


Eventually they will mix, just like 82:3 stated. But now they won't; like 14:48 stated.

[Sheed1980]

Here is a website full of many miracles of the Qur'an. Many of which I haven't mentioned. http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html

Now as much as I would love to see u come to the true straight path of God, u have to realize u would be doing that for ur own bettering. So ur not doing me any favors by accepting Islam as ur religion nor are doing me any injustice by declining it.

Those are all horseshit explained after the fact. I want what will be discovered in the future. If you can give me a miracle that'll be discovered in the next few years before it's discovered by science, I'll convert to Islam.

Well since u like what the future shows, what about the miracle of the moon in The Qur'an? Now u do realize the Qur'an was revealed in the 7th century right? When no scientific machines nor technology existed, so the only One who could have a correct state of mind on what the future would consist of would be none other than The Creator, God Himself. I thought I mentioned this before but I have no problem with bringing it up again:

Surah (chapter) 54 of the Qur'an is Al-Qamar or The Moon. The word "moon" is only mentioned once in this entire chapter in the first verse. If u should count the remaining verses until the end of the Qur'an u will get the # 1,390. The year 1,390 in the Islamic Hijra calendar is THE EXACT SAME as the year 1969 of our Gregorian calendar that we go by to this day. My point being that we all know in 1969 man (Neil Armstrong) first set foot on the moon. So my question is of this future event to happen over 1,300 years later which is listed in a scripture that is the complete word of God alone, who else but He could have known that this event would take place in the exact same year as the number of verses remaining to the end of the Qur'an except The One to allow it to happen this way exactly 1390 years later? Or how about chapter 57 Al-Hadyd "The Iron". The letters of the Arabic language have numerical value similar to Roman Numerals. In the word Hadyd H=8 D=4 Y=10 and D=4 totaling 26. Go to any periodic table and look up the atomic number for iron symbol Fe, u see 26. Now if u add the Arabic prefix Al making it The Iron, A=1 and L=30 totaling 31. 31 +26=57 which is the chapter #. Also being 114 chapters in the entire Qur'an 57 is EXACTLY HALFWAY. If u slice the Earth in half u will see the core consists of iron alloy. In Arabic there is no letter "V" so the substitute letter is "W". In The Qur'an 8:72 The word WeNuS appears. If u place the "V" where the "W" is it spells Venus, one of our solar system's planets. The next time this word WeNuS appears is in 11:3 and the final time is in 17:7. If u count the verses between 8:72 and 11:3 u get 243. It takes Venus EXACTLY 243 days to revolve around the sun. Now to go even further it rotates on an angle of 177 degrees (17:7). Finally in chapter 46 Al-Ahqaf " The Sand Dunes" verse 23 says MAa uRSiltu meaning "what I am sent with". Verse 30 says ba'aDEI MOoSa or "after Moses". So as u see these translations have no futuristic or astronomical message but look at the capitalized letters. MARS and DEIMOS. This is the only chapter these 2 names are mentioned together and science has proven Deimos is a moon that orbits Mars, the red planet which is entirely covered in sand dunes, also the name of this chapter. Who else but The Creator knew these things in the 7th century which science today has verified as absolute fact? So is God's 7th century prediction of these things , among many others telling enough of the future for u? This is how we know these are not coincidences but a strategic plan from God Allah Himself. Something to think about my friend.

[The Grand Nudger]

Still referencing the past, and those things you can claim by silly numerolgy?  Why would you offer that, in response to the request you quoted?  

That you referenced the surah that regards -the splitting of the fucking moon by mohamed- cements your idiocy. You don't realize that some of us actually can read your precious quran...do you? Bad at math too...1389...so what's the 1389th verse from the back, and what happened that year? Thread that needle for me, and be sure to include as much number magic as possible.

[CapnAwesome]

Those are all horseshit explained after the fact. I want what will be discovered in the future. If you can give me a miracle that'll be discovered in the next few years before it's discovered by science, I'll convert to Islam.

Well since u like what the future shows, what about the miracle of the moon in The Qur'an? Now u do realize the Qur'an was revealed in the 7th century right? When no scientific machines nor technology existed, so the only One who could have a correct state of mind on what the future would consist of would be none other than The Creator, God Himself. I thought I mentioned this before but I have no problem with bringing it up again:

Surah (chapter) 54 of the Qur'an is Al-Qamar or The Moon. The word "moon" is only mentioned once in this entire chapter in the first verse. If u should count the remaining verses until the end of the Qur'an u will get the # 1,390. The year 1,390 in the Islamic Hijra calendar is THE EXACT SAME as the year 1969 of our Gregorian calendar that we go by to this day. My point being that we all know in 1969 man (Neil Armstrong) first set foot on the moon. So my question is of this future event to happen over 1,300 years later which is listed in a scripture that is the complete word of God alone, who else but He could have known that this event would take place in the exact same year as the number of verses remaining to the end of the Qur'an except The One to allow it to happen this way exactly 1390 years later? Or how about chapter 57 Al-Hadyd "The Iron". The letters of the Arabic language have numerical value similar to Roman Numerals. In the word Hadyd H=8 D=4 Y=10 and D=4 totaling 26. Go to any periodic table and look up the atomic number for iron symbol Fe, u see 26. Now if u add the Arabic prefix Al making it The Iron, A=1 and L=30 totaling 31. 31 +26=57 which is the chapter #. Also being 114 chapters in the entire Qur'an 57 is EXACTLY HALFWAY. If u slice the Earth in half u will see the core consists of iron alloy. In Arabic there is no letter "V" so the substitute letter is "W". In The Qur'an 8:72 The word WeNuS appears. If u place the "V" where the "W" is it spells Venus, one of our solar system's planets. The next time this word WeNuS appears is in 11:3 and the final time is in 17:7. If u count the verses between 8:72 and 11:3 u get 243. It takes Venus EXACTLY 243 days to revolve around the sun. Now to go even further it rotates on an angle of 177 degrees (17:7). Finally in chapter 46 Al-Ahqaf " The Sand Dunes" verse 23 says MAa uRSiltu meaning "what I am sent with". Verse 30 says ba'aDEI MOoSa or "after Moses". So as u see these translations have no futuristic or astronomical message but look at the capitalized letters. MARS and DEIMOS. This is the only chapter these 2 names are mentioned together and science has proven Deimos is a moon that orbits Mars, the red planet which is entirely covered in sand dunes, also the name of this chapter. Who else but The Creator knew these things in the 7th century which science today has verified as absolute fact? So is God's 7th century prediction of these things , among many others telling enough of the future for u? This is how we know these are not coincidences but a strategic plan from God Allah Himself. Something to think about my friend.

Oh man, if you find that at all convincing, I'm starting to see the problem. What I am asking for and I'll be very clear, is a future scientific discovery. One that we haven't yet found. It should be easy, with all these miracles in the qu'ran.

[robvalue]

If someone apparently knew something you wouldn't expect them to, the only explanation is "God told them"? I don't think so. I don't care where they claim to have got the information, that doesn't make it true.

Not that I believe for a second that this dude knew anything astounding at all. It's painful watching people twist their brains in knots trying to convince themselves.

[Cecelia]

A burnt one.

[robvalue]

If the reason to believe in the Quran is recent scientific discoveries, why did anyone believe before then? Clearly this isn't the real reason people believe, even now.

Let me guess, a whole load of other half-assed reasons. Or in reality, getting indoctrinated and then ostracised/killed if they even voiced any doubts.

If you think you'll impress anyone here except other Muslims by retrofitting current knowledge into the Quran, you're sorely mistaken.