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The problem with prayer.

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The problem with prayer.
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RE: The problem with prayer.
July 25, 2016 at 12:56 pm
(July 25, 2016 at 10:07 am)Drich Wrote: You are confusing petitioning for prayer.

When we petition we ask for what we want.

When we Pray we ask for what God wants for us.

God will always give us what he wants for us if we simply ask for it.

This however does not mean He will always give us what we want.
Then what use is He?

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RE: The problem with prayer.
July 25, 2016 at 1:02 pm
(July 25, 2016 at 12:56 pm)bennyboy Wrote:
(July 25, 2016 at 10:07 am)Drich Wrote: This however does not mean He will always give us what we want.

Then what use is He?

Yeah, screw Him.
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RE: The problem with prayer.
July 25, 2016 at 1:17 pm (This post was last modified: July 25, 2016 at 1:18 pm by robvalue.)
(July 25, 2016 at 12:56 pm)bennyboy Wrote:
(July 25, 2016 at 10:07 am)Drich Wrote: You are confusing petitioning for prayer.

When we petition we ask for what we want.

When we Pray we ask for what God wants for us.

God will always give us what he wants for us if we simply ask for it.

This however does not mean He will always give us what we want.
Then what use is He?

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And what use is prayer? He just does whatever he was going to do anyway.

All a person is doing is saying that they hope such and such is part of gods plan. Either it is or it isn't, and that doesn't change by hoping it.
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RE: The problem with prayer.
July 25, 2016 at 1:19 pm
"He" obviously just gets off on hearing us beg.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The problem with prayer.
July 25, 2016 at 1:21 pm (This post was last modified: July 25, 2016 at 1:21 pm by robvalue.)
It appears so. We're just howling at the torturer to relent.

When the theist needs to claim things change but also stay the same in order to make sense of prayer, they've abandoned reason.
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RE: The problem with prayer.
July 25, 2016 at 1:24 pm
(July 20, 2016 at 10:09 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: If he already has an 'ultimate plan,' then what's the point of asking him to change anything.
Though the plan will not change, the pieces and amount of pieces making up the whole can vary.

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RE: The problem with prayer.
July 25, 2016 at 1:27 pm
(July 20, 2016 at 11:01 am)robvalue Wrote: But how do you tell the difference between an answered prayer and a coincidence?

People pray for stuff all the time. Loads of stuff happens. Coincidences are going to happen.
There is no proof for coincidences or chance.

All happens for a reason, though we may not understand it or even see it in it's entirety.

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RE: The problem with prayer.
July 25, 2016 at 1:28 pm
(July 25, 2016 at 1:24 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote:
(July 20, 2016 at 10:09 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: If he already has an 'ultimate plan,' then what's the point of asking him to change anything.
Though the plan will not change, the pieces and amount of pieces making up the whole can vary.

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What does that even mean.
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RE: The problem with prayer.
July 25, 2016 at 1:28 pm
(July 20, 2016 at 11:06 am)PETE_ROSE Wrote:
(July 20, 2016 at 11:01 am)robvalue Wrote: But how do you tell the difference between an answered prayer and a coincidence?

People pray for stuff all the time. Loads of stuff happens. Coincidences are going to happen.

I agree with that.  There will always be this dilemma .  If the results are by a natural means and not supernatural then I see that one could dismiss the results as coincidence or a natural outcome.
And how is a natural outcome not ultimately of GOD?

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RE: The problem with prayer.
July 25, 2016 at 1:29 pm
Burden of proof shift detected,
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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